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Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

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Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

Hybrid buyers are still the winners when you factor in costs of financing, fuel, insurance, state taxes and license fees, repairs, maintenance and depreciation.

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John O'Dell, Los Angeles Times - Jan 8, 2007

Hybrid vehicles are proof of the old saw that you've got to spend money to save it, a new study shows.

In recent years, studies by Consumer Reports and others have shown that most hybrids won't save owners enough money on fuel alone to make up for their higher initial prices.

But a new study by Los Angeles-based Intellichoice.com, which specializes in automotive cost-of-ownership data, says that hybrid buyers are still the winners when you factor in costs of financing, fuel, insurance, state taxes and license fees, repairs, maintenance and depreciation.

"Across the board, we found that all 22 hybrid vehicles have a better total cost of ownership over five years or 70,000 miles than the vehicles they directly compete against," said James Bell, Intellichoice.com's publisher.

"Hybrids are proving themselves to be an excellent alternative for car buyers," Bell said. "Even when factoring in the additional upfront costs for their purchase, the long-term savings hybrids generate makes them a sensible and attractive purchase."

There is no better example, the study says, than Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius. The study concludes that a Prius owner over five years will save $13,408 over a similar-size sedan that is not a hybrid.

Prius, the five-passenger mid-sized sedan, is the most popular of the 22 hybrid models on the market today. It accounted for about 43% of hybrid sales in the U.S. last year and for about 60% of all hybrid sales since its introduction in 2000.

On average, sedans of similar size to the Prius (non-hybrid cars such as Toyota's own Camry, Honda Motor Co.'s Accord and Ford Motor Co.'s Taurus) cost motorists an average of $33,305 over the first five years of ownership, Intellichoice found. Costs for the Prius averaged $19,897.

The difference, the study says, is that hybrids retain their value better than conventional vehicles, have moderate maintenance and repair costs and, of course, there are those lower fuel costs.

Hybrids also benefit from federal tax credits, which this year can range from $250 to $1,950 but were as high as $3,150 in 2006.

The study based its gasoline prices on last year's average national gas price of $2.26 a gallon. The average dollar savings may go up or down with the price of gasoline, the study pointed out, but the percentage difference in operating costs between the hybrids and non-hybrids would remain constant.

Because they carry both an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, plus a lot of complex electronics and oversized banks of advanced technology batteries to make it all work, hybrid cars and trucks are more costly to buy than comparable non-hybrid vehicles.

The hybrid price difference — or premium — can be as little as $1,000 to as much as $5,000 for some luxury models. The higher purchase prices have kept many people from considering hybrids.

Demand for the vehicles peaked last summer, when regular gasoline prices topped $3.25 a gallon nationally, but has declined as gas prices have fallen.

The hybrids with the biggest five-year savings after the Prius were the new Honda Civic sedan hybrid, the Toyota Highlander sport utility vehicle hybrid and the Ford Escape SUV hybrid, Bell said.

A quartet of "mild hybrid" pickup trucks from General Motors Corp. provided the least cost benefit over five years of ownership, with five-year savings ranging from $2,940 to $3,463.

A mild hybrid is one that doesn't have an electric drive system to augment the internal combustion engine. Instead, it uses its electric power to enable the conventional engine to shut down when the vehicle normally would be idling.

A "full hybrid" system such as in the Prius uses electric drive to boost gas engine performance and to enable the conventional engine to shut down at idle. Most also enable the car or truck to run on all-electric power for short periods at low speeds.

The Intellichoice study, to be released today in Detroit during a media preview of the North American International Auto Show, comes at a time that more automakers are adopting some sort of alternative fuel or power plant strategy to help meet increasingly strict environmental rules and to maintain competitiveness as fuel prices rise.

In addition to gasoline-electric hybrids, many automakers are adding diesel engines, which can offer as much as 40% more fuel economy than similar-size gasoline engines and are much cleaner than in the past.

Several major automakers also are working on development of hydrogen-burning internal combustion engines or electric vehicles that use a drive system powered by electricity produced in an onboard fuel cell by combining hydrogen and oxygen.


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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

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...There is no better example, the study says, than Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius. The study concludes that a Prius owner over five years will save $13,408 over a similar-size sedan that is not a hybrid....
That was more than I expected and the opposite of CNW's findings.


The threee reason I can find hybrids save money:
  • The obvious - less gas used
  • Less use of the ICE under fewer severe conditions
  • Drivers typically look at the dash to save gas. On any vehicle, driving it hard shortens the life, moderate driving extends it. (another case for hypermiling)
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

Of course, if you want to recoup the hybrid premium is a *hurry*, all you have to do is park in a garage that gives a hybrid discount.

I park near the Mitchell Courthouse. A monthly pass for regular cars is $175/mo. For hybrids, it's only $95/month. That's a savings of $960/year. That's got to shave at least two years off the five-year "break-even" point.
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

Here is a link to the Auto Channel's item on this story, which includes Intellichoice's ranking of each hybrid model's cost against its peer group.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...08/033316.html
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

Factor in the cost of battery replacement by a plug-in conversion shop after 150-200k miles, and a hybrid is way, way ahead. The only thing they aren't particularly suited for is lots of high speed highway driving, which is probably why most lead foots report less than EPA.
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

yesplease, civic hybrid does very well on the highway. Many average drivers are reporting 98% or so of epa on the highway.

Did anyone notice the redefinition of mild hybrid. It used to be mild hybrid was a hybrid that didn't have an ev mode. Now it is one that just shuts the car down at stop (i.e. BAS). I guess that had to do that so they could call the VUE a hybrid without offending honda owners. I bet the prius guys are fuming the IMA is now called a full hybrid.
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

Another source of hybrid savings is brake pad replacement. Some evidence suggests that wear is minimal even approaching 100kmiles depending on how the vehicle is driven. Hypermilers can probably make a regular car's brake pads go well over 100k miles as well though .
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

Hola tbaleno! Comparing two very similar vehicles, like the Honda Accord six cylinder and hybrid, we see that they have similar mileage over the EPA highway test, 30 and 34mpg. Now the test is at an average of 48mph, which I wouldn't consider to be lots of high speed driving, so odds are this will drop. If you take a look at this graph from green car congress, you may notice that as speed increases, mileage tends to converge in a small area.

So, even though a Prius gets 20mpg better mileage at 50mph compared to something like the BMW listed, at speeds I consider to be high speed, something like 75-90mph, that advantage is cut in half. Along the same lines, when choosing between a six cylinder Accord, or Accord hybrid for lots of high speed driving, I would probably choose the Accord since the ~2mpg increase from the hybrid probably couldn't be recouped compared to the additional cost over the life of the vehicle. Not that the large majority of Americans drive like this all the time, most average 30mph. It's just that hybrids aren't always cheaper for everyone.
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IMA2 can be called a full hybrid since the HCH2 has a mode of operation in which the IMA pushes the car without help from the engine. It's simply a less robust hybrid design than what the Prius offers. But if IMA-2 had more batteries, the EV mode (10-25 MPH) would last longer.
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Re: Hybrids Save Money in the Long Run, Study Finds

This is an ownership cost study, not a 'dust-to-dust'. Again, a narrow cost definition.

The weakness with this est. is that the advantage presented is based on higher estimated resale value, which is a very backend, soft-cost method. Someone estimating today's used car market 5 years ago would be very wrong.

There is no mention of VW diesels, which run about what they cost for <50k mileage 3 yr old.

Unlilke the CMW reports, it sounds like there is a 'story' being told. Fundamentally, new technologies cost more.
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