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Mercedes vs. Consumer Reports.

The luxury carmaker is not happy with recent rankings that appeared in the 2007 New Car Preview.

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Alex Taylor III - Fortune - Nov. 20, 2006

NEW YORK - There is an old saying in the newspaper business that you shouldn't pick a fight with somebody who buys ink by the gallon.

That hasn't stopped Mercedes-Benz from taking a few swipes at Consumer Reports over some very damaging reviews of Mercedes vehicles.

First some background: For the 2007 edition of its New Car Preview, Consumer Reports surveyed its six million subscribers about what serious problems they had with the cars they own. Some 1.3 million responded and the results weren't good for Mercedes-Benz.

Here's a brief blow-by-blow: In a listing of the least reliable luxury cars, based on 2006 models, three of the six cars are Mercedes: the old S-class (prior to the recent redesign), the CLS and the E-class Sedan.

The Best and Worst
According to Consumer Reports 2006 reliability survey, these vehicles scored the highest or the lowest.

Automobile type Most reliableLeast reliable
Small cars:Honda FitChevrolet Cobalt
 Toyota YarisNissan Sentra (2006)
 Honda Civic HybridVolkswagen Jetta (5-cyl.)
 Toyota CorollaChevrolet Aveo
   
Family cars:Honda Accord HybridVolkswagen Passat (4-cyl.)
 Toyota Prius 
 Honda Accord (4-cyl.)
 Ford Fusion
 Mercury Milan 
   
Upscale/large cars:Lexus ES350Jaguar X-Type
 Lincoln ZephyrChrysler 300 (V-8)
 Hyundai AzeraSaab 9-3
 Acura TSX 
 Acura TL 
   
Luxury cars:Lexus LS (2006) Cadillac STS (V-8)
 Infiniti M*Mercedes-Benz S-Class (2006)
  Mercedes-Benz CLS
  Mercedes-Benz E-Class sedan
  BMW 7 Series
  Jaguar S-Type
   
Sports/sporty cars:Lexus SCPontiac Solstice
 Toyota Camry Solara (4-cyl.)Mercedes-Benz SL
 Subaru Impreza WRXMercedes-Benz SLK (V-6)
 Honda S2000Chevrolet Corvette
 Mitsubishi EclipsePorsche 911, Carrera
 Mini Cooper Hatchback (2006)Ford Mustang (V-6)
   
Wagons/minivans:Pontiac VibeBuick Terraza
 Scion xBChevrolet Uplander
 Toyota MatrixSaturn Relay
 Toyota SiennaNissan Quest
   
Small SUVs:Toyota FJ CruiserKia Sportage
 Honda Element
 Honda CR-V (2006)
 Toyota RAV4
 Mitsubishi Outlander (2006)
 Subaru Forester
   
Midsized SUVs:Toyota Highlander HybridMercedes-Benz M-Class
 Toyota 4RunnerLand Rover LR3 (V-8)
 Toyota HighlanderMercedes-Benz R-Class
 Honda PilotVolkswagen Touareg
 Lexus RX400h (hybrid)Jeep Grand Cherokee
 Acura MDX (2006)Hummer H3
  BMW X5 (V-8, 2006)
  Volvo XC90 (6 and 8-cyl.)
  Ford Explorer
  Mercury Mountaineer (V-8 cyl.)
   
Large SUV’s:Toyota Land Cruiser Nissan Armada
 Lexus LXInfiniti QX56
 Toyota SequoiaLincoln Navigator
 Chevrolet TahoeHummer H2
 GMC Yukon 
   
Pickup trucks:Subaru BajaNissan Titan
 Toyota TundraFord F-250 (turbodiesel)
 Toyota TacomaDodge Dakota (4WD)
 Nissan Frontier (V-6)Cadillac Escalade EXT (2006)
Source: Consumer Reports.

Same thing in sport cars. Mercedes hogged three of the seven slots for least reliable: the SL, the CLK and the V6 SLK.

Among mid-sized SUVs, the M-class, a quality disaster when it first came out, still ranks as the least reliable in its grouping.

Other luxury manufacturers turn up on the least reliable list, with BMWs, Jaguars and Cadillacs sprinkled throughout.

But what is striking about Mercedes' performance is its consistency. Of the 11 models reviewed by Consumers, none are recommended. Seven are left off of the list because of poor reliability; the remaining four are considered too new to predict.

Mercedes has the worst record of any automaker with that many models. For a brand that claims to be "engineered like no other car in the world," that is fairly frightening.

"They understand the problems and they are fixing some of them, but they have a long way to come," says David Champion, director of automotive testing at Consumers.

For its part, a spokesman for Mercedes says that the data in the Consumer Reports rankings "is totally out of sync with what we're seeing in the mainstream research as well as our own customer satisfaction and warranty data." He points to the good marks Mercedes gets for ride, handling, comfort, safety and performance.

He may be whistling into a windstorm, though. "Car buyers pay a lot of attention to CR's ratings," says industry consultant George Peterson. "They perceive them as unbiased."

Research by Peterson's own firm, AutoPacific, substantiates CR's findings. Its 2006 Ideal Vehicle Awards show Mercedes not only ranking ninth out of ten among luxury brands but also lower than the top ten mainstream brands like Hyundai and Subaru.

Quality problems have been a big issue at Mercedes for several years and the company keeps insisting It has a handle on them. But issues keep cropping up.

The JD Power Initial quality study for 2006 models, which measures defects identified by customers during the first 90 days of ownership, put Mercedes at 25th out of a field of 37 brands. That was well behind leaders like Porsche, Toyota's Lexus, Jaguar, GM's Cadillac and Infiniti, though still two notches ahead of BMW.

The Mercedes spokesman blames that low ranking on two major complaints: brake dust from the high performance brakes and problems with the new seven speed transmission, that he says have been repaired.

He adds: "As you're aware, the IQS included a new survey methodology by JD Power which goes well beyond the actual quality of the vehicles and into subjective measurement (an important distinction) of how customers feel about such things as the design, look and operation of features, controls and equipment."

Mercedes still makes superb automobiles - striking in design, sophisticated in engineering, exhilarating in performance. It attracts hugely loyal buyers and its cars retain value better than most.

But being a leader means being constantly under attack by those behind you. Along with BMW and Lexus, Mercedes ranks in the top tier of luxury brands.

But until it can tame the devilish complexity of its cars into more reliable transportation, its position will remain precarious. And it doesn't help to be in denial about the problems you face - or to attack the messenger who delivers the bad news.
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Re: Mercedes vs. Consumer Reports.

That is shocking: Only Mercedes and Volvo have built cars that have been driven for a million miles as far as I know.
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Re: Mercedes vs. Consumer Reports.

Hi Chuck:

___I thought I had read of an Acura that had been driven that far as well?

___Then we have plenty of Ford F-150’s that have been driven beyond the 1,000,000 mile mark! I had to throw that one in for the home team

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Re: Mercedes vs. Consumer Reports.

I've been wondering if anyone else made it to the million-mile club.

Glad Honda is represented.
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Re: Mercedes vs. Consumer Reports.

Mercedes and Volvo aren't what they used to be. Way back in the 80s, before car needed satellite linked headrests, 12 cup holders, hands-free steering, and an integrated butt massager to be cool, they were great. Those manufacturers just built solid, simple, safe, comfortable, and extroardinarily robust cars. They were engineered like HMVEEs. That all went out the door for Mercedes when they got into the gadget game. For Volvo, it was a combination of the gadget game and getting technology from new owner Ford in the late 90s. (I had an 85 Volvo followed by the 98. The 85 was bought new and still treated me well when it was finally handed down, the 98 was sold for the Honda after two years because I was fed up with everythig breaking.) I have also seen the Mercedes debacle first-hand. The '99 E300 Turbodiesel that my girlfriend's mom drives is a great car. Routine maintenance at the dealer costs an arm and a leg but it has only had one major problem in 130,000 miles that I am aware of. They went through 2 MLs, both of which were garbage. Nicey finished, yes. But no car should use a quart of oil every 500-700 miles. (Not leak, burn.) Not to mention fuel economy in the 14-16mpg range, 17 or 18 on a VERY good day.

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Brick-Mercedes puts a bit of diesel tech in spark motors

Brick,
Maybe you didn't know that Mercedes puts a little bit of diesel in all its vehicles-spark motors in included. This explains the qt/500 miles of oil used. It intentionally dribbles a bvit of oil past the rings into the CC to give that old time diesel smell/soot/look! Of course, you have to burn the CatCon out - with all that unburned oil- before you get the nice smoky look of a true diesel.
Just kidding, of course. Why would anyone buy a MB when they could buy a cheaper, comparable Lexus for less $$$??!!
Too bad Honda never made a V-8. It would have been a jewel, and would have boosted them to Toyota/Lexus type sales figures.You really have to admire Honda for sticking to its guns-efficiency wise-but it allowed Toyota to all but bury them. Honda's motors are always a bit better than Toyota's motors-faster,better mpg, less internal friction. A 3.5-4 liter V-8 would have been a work of art!
Oh well,I'm veering off course. Thanks.Charlie
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