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The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Reports

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The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Reports

How can a car that sells so well, hold up so well, be so hated?

Chuck Thomas - CleanMPG - Oct. 27, 2009

Top Gear's episode that literally shot up the Prius.

In 1996, Toyota and Honda were terrified they had no answer for the EV1. They thought it would be marketed as seriously as the Chevy Volt a full fifteen years later. Not wanting to let California's Zero Emissions law remove them from their market and maybe the entire US, Toyota developed the Prius - Honda the Insight. Neither were EVs - they wanted to have an offering to satisfy CARB. Toyota is infamous for reliable, yet bland vehicles. The shape of the Prius was largely dictated by wind tunnel results. Interestingly, the Prius would eventually look a lot like the Honda CRX after originally resembling the Echo. Toyota so far has not acknowledged accusations of Steven Spielberg or Leonardo DiCaprio as consultants for the Prius design.

This week, Consumer Reports declared the Prius the most dependable family car sold in America, followed by the Ford Fusion which has a hybrid version. So far, no response from Art Spinella, who's executive summary is the Dust to Dust study claiming among other things the Prius durable for only 100,000 miles while the soon to be discontinued H2 Hummer rolls for a stratospheric 300,000 miles. Well before the CR report, a taxi driver in Vancouver drives two Prius well over 200,000 miles apiece.

Automotive history is replete with lemons such as the Chevy Vega and Ford Pinto, so how can the Prius be included in that list when it's most of the two million hybrids Toyota has sold? People are gullible, but two million? Fooling customers is one thing but why is Nissan licensing Toyota's HSD technology while Ford and Volvo use nearly identical hybrid technology? At most, a few hundred hybrid battery packs have gone bad.

General Motors' US market share from the EV1 intro in 1996 to 2009 has dipped from 31% to 15% while dismissing the hybrid as Toyota's Billion-dollar PR campaign....GM's post-bankruptcy survival is far from assured. While not to be completely discounted, isn't it interesting that people concerned with EMF radiation from hybrids are blogging about it from a monitor? Far less honest than electromagnetic radiation concerns is the falsehood Sudbury has become a toxic dump as bad as Love Canal or Cherynobyl because their nickel mine focused on hybrid batteries when Toyota is 0.4% of their business. And now hybrids are a menace to the blind, yet many conventional gasoline cars are nearly as silent.

Do you get the impression some just have a loathing for hybrids, esp. the Prius? For all the diatribe on forums and talk radio only leftists drive the Prius, it's hard to pass off R. James Woolsey, Jr., Senators Lamar Alexander, Bill Frist, Richard Lugar as socialists. Over a year ago, someone tried to start a forum that would be the FUH2 for the Prius. After only 100 posts, it was converted to a blog, but no updates since last April and worse website mileage than a Hummer in quicksand.

Does it seem like many of the hybrid objections are reminiscent of grade school boys hating for no particular reason with a low emotional quotient?

Ironically, these haters might stop driving and go zero impact if the only wheels on the road were the Prius.
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

Hi Chuck:

___I twittered this one as it is positively one of the best News articles you have ever composed. Once it scrolls of the home page, let's move this one to the article section as it is that good imho

___Way to go!!!

___Good Luck

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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

Imagine if GM had mass marketed the EV1 from the beginning. Our whole automotive society would have changed. People would be proud of GM. Instead we applaud the Prius for their foresight in taking over our country with dependable and effective transportation.

Don't blame Toyota for winning the game, blame GM for throwing it away. - Dale
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

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Imagine if GM had mass marketed the EV1 from the beginning. Our whole automotive society would have changed. People would be proud of GM. Instead we applaud the Prius for their foresight in taking over our country with dependable and effective transportation.

Don't blame Toyota for winning the game, blame GM for throwing it away. - Dale
Shoot, imagine if they would have at least just stuck with it instead of selling the patent to those magical nimh batteries that work off to chevron. It looks like the ev1 with the NiMh batteries came out in 1999. That was 10 years ago.

How far have we come in 10 years with automotive technology? Just think, if they didn't cancel the ev1 and sell those patents, there would probably be some sort of EV option at most dealers.

HOWEVER!!!, I wonder if hybrid tech would have died, or not be as far as it is today if the EV thing would have not died in 2003. OR, maybe all the hybrids would be plug-in hybrids instead.
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

Blame it on low US gas prices which was subsidized to the tilt. Still are I think. Compare to Euro Gas Prices.
History repeats itself. Access to cheap gasoline, brought the demise to the first battery-power cars at the turn of the 20th century.
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

Nice article Chuck.
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

This was easy to write after hearing all that's been said about the Prius for years.

Said it before, but this time a bit differently, I wish Toyota did a series of commercials with most of the content I wrote - of course less edgy.
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I distinctly remember paying 89 cents/gal in 1999. I was driving a 1994 Toyota pickup-4 cyl mt- which got 24 mpg in the city with no effort and I thought to myself, "why am I driving this" which is why I remember it so well.

The answer of course was I was cheap. Money, and fear of being under the thumb of foreign oil producers is what will get us off oil,not greenness.$$ and national interest are much stronger motivators than"love of planet."
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

As of today, there are 98 anti-Prius groups on Facebook....does this scream lot's of people have issues or what?
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Re: The Hated Toyota Prius: One of the most reliable cars on the road: Consumer Repor

Any anti-hummer groups Chuck?

This was a very interesting read, but boy GM is probably kicking themselves in the nuts on a daily basis for having sold the EV1. I honestly think GM doesn't look past their wallets, so I'm really not sure how far they will go.
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