User Name Password    
CleanMPG, Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive.  
MENU
• What is hypermiling? •
CleanMPG to AAA:
• Hypermiling Rebuttal •
 
• Home
• CleanMPG Staff
• Articles
• Fuel Economy Forums
      • Register
Go Hypermiling!

   Car Reviews:

2013 Elantra GT

2013 Elantra Coupe

2013 Lexus ES 300h

2013 Mazda CX-5


2013 Lexus GS 450h

2012 Prius c

2013 Malibu Eco

2012 Hyundai Accent
   Bike and Gear Reviews:

HTC Thunderbolt

2010 R 1200 GS (A)

Kawasaki KLX250SF

Zero S


Aerostich Darien

Shoei Hornet DS

Honda CRF230L

Yamaha XT250


• More Reviews
• Gallery
• Mileage Logs
 
• CleanMPG Store
 
• Calendar
• Glossary
• Garage
• Files
 
• Research
• Related Sites
 
• Archives
• Arcade
 
• Monthly Fuel Efficient •
Vehicle Sales Figures


ScanGauge with X-Gauge: $159.95

Pre-programming, a CleanMPG laser cut decal, and shipping included!



Even better value for members only is available in the latest SG-II w/ X-Gauge Group Buy purchase thread.



While we strive to provide only the highest quality information through our members' offerings, if you find the information provided valuable, please consider a donation so that we can offer an even better experience for the membership and guests well into the future.

Thank you

-Wayne Gerdes
Owner/Admin
CleanMPG



Home Fuel Economy Forums Gallery Mileage Logs

FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   CleanMPG Forums » Conventional Automobile Owners Community » Honda


Honda The Power of Dreams - Discussion about Honda and Honda automobiles.

Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.

Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.

San Francisco Chronicle: With Honda, we're in Accord

Tags: , , , , ,

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-29-2006, 10:12 PM
tigerhonaker's Avatar
tigerhonaker tigerhonaker is offline
Platinum Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: 2008 Bullitt Mustang & 2007 HAH
Location: Franklin, Tn. in U.S.A.
Posts: 1,490
Lightbulb San Francisco Chronicle: With Honda, we're in Accord




With Honda,

we're in Accord



Michael Taylor, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, September 29, 2006





There's a reason Honda sells so many Accords. Well, there are several reasons, but one of them may well be that America has gotten into the Accord habit, much as it's gotten into the Camry habit.

(Never mind that in the scant blink of a historical eye that is the 30 years Honda has been selling Accords here, Accord has become a household name. And yet even the word itself means nothing. Accord? A car named for an agreement? If you sell these cars in Finland, are they Helsinki Accords?)

The Accord and Camry are two medium-priced family sedans -- the bread-and-butter cars of, respectively, Honda and Toyota. In 2005, Toyota sold some 433,000 Camrys and Honda sold more than 369,000 Accords. It's a fierce market with plenty of other competitors in the price range.

The newest Accord is essentially a cheap luxury car, if you want to stretch a bit and think of it that way. Honda says it competes with the 3-series BMW (they're more in the $30,000 to $40,000 range). About now all those BMW owners are guffawing (sorry, BMW owners don't guffaw; they titter and then roll their eyes) and saying won't those people ever learn? There is only one driving machine.

Well, as one who has driven a few BMWs (and Benzes and other iron from the high-falutin' side of the tracks), I can tell you this under-$30,000 Accord was just fine, thank you.

It doesn't have the same, say, tautness or sense of aggression as a BMW. It doesn't have the same luxo feel of a Mercedes, and it doesn't have the same heaviness as its upscale brother, the Acura RL.

Instead, the Accord is one of those cars in which the sum of all the parts is what makes it a success. If you parsed this car into its separate elements, it might not work. Is that grille too wide of mouth? Are those new taillights too big, out of scale with the car? Isolated to themselves, these things might be bothersome. Taken as a whole, the car as a whole, they seem natural.

There's the inevitable comparison with the Camry and, frankly, it took me days to get comfortable in Toyota's top-selling sedan and it never really fit. With the Accord, the leather seat was fine a few minutes after I adjusted the lumbar support to zero. The car just seemed to fit better and "fit" means that everything came to hand more readily.

This test actually deals with two 2006 Accords, both equipped with navigation. One car had the 3-liter, 244-horsepower V6 engine and 6-speed manual transmission; the other sported the combined gasoline/electric-powered hybrid drivetrain putting out 253-horsepower, with the 5-speed automatic transmission. (The 2007 Accord is "virtually identical" to the 2006 model, according to a Honda spokesman.)On the road, there's enough zip from the nonhybrid engine to get past most of the traffic slogging up the hill toward Reno on a recent trip. The six-speed stick is an absolute joy to use. Honda must have a design sub-team whose only job is to make sure that the synchronizers in the gearbox do their job flawlessly each time.

One crunch in a fast shift and you're forever on guard for another one. In that Accord, there were no crunches. To boot, the shifter had that just-right combination of knowing exactly where it was going, but doing it easily, sliding into the next gear with no hesitation.

There's one odd cavil I have with the transmission. The first four forward gears feel like they're part of their own set. Going to fifth requires a push rightwards through a dιtente and then there's the final down-and-right thrust into sixth. At 70 mph in fourth, you're turning about 3800 RPM and it actually sounds pretty quiet. If you didn't know it had six speeds, you might easily shift into fourth and think, well, that's it, it's in high gear. (When it's in sixth at 70 mph, it's only turning 2400 RPM. Perhaps that is what helped it get 25 miles per gallon overall in driving that was, say, spirited.)

The automatic Accord drives slightly differently. It seems a little bit faster (it has nine more horses, after all). But there's an annoying thump when the car goes from engine-off, electric motor-on to the opposite. The whole progression in and out of electric power is not as seamless as it is in the Toyota Prius. Essentially, though, these two Accords are nearly identical and so, from here on, we'll talk about it as if they were the same car. An Accord is an Accord is an Accord.

Inside, the car is quiet, no matter what the speed. There's plenty of room in the back seat, although two rear-seat passengers will be a lot more comfortable than three. Honda carries over its long tradition of having a rear seat back that folds forward so the trunk can hold awkwardly long packages, but it would be nice if Honda followed the leads of many other carmakers and did 60/40 split/folding back seats. If you're going to offer a convenience, then make it wholly convenient.

The point of the Accord is that Honda realized some time after the Accord became a success that it and the Civic were the two cars that would not only keep the company afloat but would make it thrive. They kept pretty strictly to a model, or generation, change every four years, and they made the Civic into the entry-level car that would keep buyers in the Honda family.

As buyers aged and made more money, they would graduate to an Accord. When they made even more, then they were politely directed to an Acura showroom.

The irony now, of course, is that the Accord is such a balanced car -- one that, without apology, appeals to a wide variety of buyers and comes in a wide variety of prices ($18,225 to $32,990) -- that it sometimes threatens the lower priced Acuras, particularly the hybrid.

For my money, however, I would think twice about the hybrid Accord. In my experience, if not that of the Environmental Protection Agency, it actually got slightly worse overall mileage (24 mpg) than did the six-speed (25 mpg), and the hybrid costs $3,690 more. (It also weighs 218 pounds more and does not qualify, like some other hybrids, for a sticker that allows the driver to use California carpool lanes with a single occupant.) So what you have to decide is -- how much is that word "hybrid" on the trunk worth?

STANDARD

2006 Honda Accord: four-door sedan; front engine; front-wheel drive

Price: test model, $29,300. (Base price: same)

Powertrain: 3-liter V6 244-horsepower engine. Six-speed manual transmission

Curb weight: 3,371 pounds

Seating capacity: five

Fuel consumption (mpg): 21, city; 30, highway.

Fuel tank capacity: 17.1 gallons.

Length: 191.1 inches; width: 71.6 inches; height: 57.3 inches; wheelbase: 107.9 inches

Warranty: bumper to bumper, three years/36,000 miles; power train, five years, 60,000 miles

Source: American Honda Motor Co. Inc.; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

(www.fueleconomy.gov)

HYBRID


2006 Honda Accord: four-door sedan; front hybrid drive train; front-wheel drive

Price: test model, $32,990. (Base price: same)

Powertrain: 253-horsepower combined gasoline-powered engine and electric motor.

Five-speed automatic transmission

Curb weight: 3,589 pounds

Seating capacity: five

Fuel consumption (mpg): 25, city; 34, highway

Fuel tank capacity: 17.1 gallons

Length: 191.1 inches; width: 71.6 inches; height: 57.2 inches; wheelbase: 107.9 inches

Warranty: bumper to bumper, three years/

36,000 miles; power train, five years, 60,000 miles.

Battery for the hybrid drive train: 10 years /150,000 miles

E-mail Michael Taylor at mtaylor@sfchronicle.com.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...GKTKDDHC33.DTL
__________________

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Honda will introduce an entry-level 4-door Hybrid more Fuel-Efficient than (INSIGHT) tigerhonaker 2010 - 2013 Honda Insight II 18 03-06-2009 07:44 AM
Honda Bets Scientists in Secret Engine Lab Can Outsmart Toyota tigerhonaker 2000 - 2006 Honda Insight I 6 06-21-2006 08:30 AM
1998-2002 V6 Accord had problems/ News Here to Me: tigerhonaker Honda 3 04-09-2006 02:59 AM
Hybrid’s head to head - Camry vs. Accord. xcel In the News 1 04-02-2006 11:48 AM
Honda Brings the Future of Driving to Canada/FCX fuel cell car: tigerhonaker Honda 1 03-30-2006 08:11 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2013, Clean MPG LLC. All Rights Reserved.