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Outrage over N Korea nuclear test (and missle launches)



North Korea seems like a child in it's "terrible twos".

Seems like Kim Jong-il is seeking attention any way possible.

How do we deal with a crazy, failed rogue state?

Maybe we should just give Kim Jong-il the silent treatment.

Don't give a lot of press, condemn or threaten - just isolate N Korea more and more.

What could make this much easier is China to seal it's borders...Kim Jong-il would scream uncle in a couple of weeks.
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Stop all food aid. We should have tied food aid to negotiations long ago. To those that will accuse me of not caring about the innocent public, feeding North Korea allows Kim Jong-il to stay in control. Anything (including food aid) that helps prop up this dictatorship lengthens the suffering of North Koreans, and runs the risk of an arms race in the neighborhood.

This is constantly presented to us in a simple way, but I suspect there is a bigger picture here - China.
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Another question is what will influence those close to Kim Jong-il this is not working?
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... but I suspect there is a bigger picture here - China.
And South Korea. For many of them, North Koreans are family.
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My understanding is China is not real happy with N. Korea, and has not been for several years.
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Wonder what China's asking price is to get really serious with North Korea's nonsense?
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Wonder what China's asking price is to get really serious with North Korea's nonsense?
Will they take Nancy, Harry, Barry and Joe for a partial trade
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They might want GM and Chrysler instead.
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Re: North Korea

The first Tin foil hat's are starting to come out of the wood work.

Pentagon: Nuclear first strike "Likely"

Early in the evening on Tuesday, President Barack Obama gave permission for the US Military to airlift "Patriot Missile Air Defense" systems to South Korea and additional units to bolster 16 systems already in Japan. Those systems were airborne hours later and arrived in South Korea and Japan today.

The model of Patriot Missile systems sent is "PAC-3" and they were accompanied by M-901 control stations and AN/MPQ-53 phased array radar.

Sources with acute knowledge of the plans for North Korea have confirmed to TRN that a US nuclear first strike is going to be launched.

The first strike will be carried out through submarine-launched, BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles, model TLAM/A whose explosive payload can be "dialed" to be anywhere from 100 kilotons to one point five megatons nuclear yield per missile.

There will be no warning. North Korea will not be able to track the incoming cruise missiles via radar. The only way they will know the attack is taking place is when they see a blinding white flash as the temperature rises to ten thousand degrees and the wind gusts to 650 miles per hour.

North Korean troops along the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) will be hit first to prevent them from invading south Korea. Multiple cruise missiles using Time of Arrival (TOA) control will detonate simultaneously along the DMZ, wiping out over one million North Korean troops in seconds.

Minutes later, after the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) confirms that the North Korean leadership has been told by their own command structure that their troops at the DMZ have all been killed, Kim Jung Il will be contacted and asked if he is willing to surrender. It is expected he will not.

At that point, a B-2 Stealth Bomber will be sent in to deliver the final blow. Pyongyang will be hit with a surface detonation of a massive nuclear bomb, wiping out the entire city and the entire government of North Korea.

As soon as that surface detonation takes place, several hundred additional cruise missiles carrying conventional payloads and launched from land, air and sea sites, will hit every North Korean military facility in the entire country, instantly crippling their entire command and control system. Carrier based Aircraft will then fly in to clean up whatever resistance remains.

It is expected the war will be over within one or two days. Korea will be reunited. It's Capitol will be Seoul and its government will be democratically elected.

One strike, two purposes

This difficult decision to make a nuclear first strike was arrived at because the threat of North Korea invading South Korea once hostilities resume was too great a danger to world stability. The world does not need or want another large, lengthy war.

The decision to use a nuclear first strike serves another purpose as well: sending a clear message to countries like Pakistan, India and Iran about what they can expect if they continue traveling down the nuclear road.

The thinking in Washington, Beijing and Moscow is that the world needs to send this message and there will not be a better reason or better time to send it than now.

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I think the flak over such a move would make going into Iraq popular with the peaceniks.

Not going to happen unless N Korea is about to do something sucidal.

I would hope China would think we might do it and close borders for a few weeks in response. That would be a "green" way to do the same thing.
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