The Wishful Thinking of Greenie Dreams

[Chuck]

Cites "facts" such as the mercury in CFLs while ignoring coal plants emit even more mercury, and that "study" that a Hummer is greener than a Prius along with the partisan banter.

Peter C Glover - American "Thinker" – May 24, 2009

I will not dignify this article as either "conservative" nor "thinking", but reactionary....a partisan shrill that as soon as they see the messenger assumes it's all bad and makes no honest attempt to research the issues. A commenter suggested some have a personality disorder (DSM-IV), but would suggest it's the author and most of it's readers that need help. --Ed.

The social engineering spin of the green mindset dictates that we should buy ‘green' cars, divert food crops to fuel them, restrict air travel and ban plasma TVs and, of course, traditional light-bulbs. So let's take a closer look at the current green-led switchover: the dimly-lit realities behind ‘green' light bulbs.

Back to the ‘dark ages'

In the US, Representative Jane Harman (D-Calif.) introduced legislation aimed at setting a target date of 2012 to ban the sale of traditional incandescent light-bulbs, switching America over to low-energy alternatives. After all, low-energy "compact fluorescent bulbs" (CFLs) use just one-fifth of the energy of traditional light-bulbs? So it's a no-brainer, right? Harman is taking her lead from the European Union which is currently phasing out the sale of incandescent light-bulbs - even though there is a raft of hidden economic, energy and environmental factors with which neither the EU nor Harman seem cognizant. Harman maintains that implementing such a ban would be, "an important first step toward making every household, business and public building in America more energy-efficient.".... [Read More]

[worthywads]

Zero real thinking at American Thinker.

[lightfoot]

Originally Posted by worthywads

Zero real thinking at American Thinker.

The picture on the upper left of the masthead shows a patriot sitting on a log in Rodin's "Thinker" pose. "He's stumped!" was the thought that came to mind after reading the "article".

[Jough96Accord]

I'm not trying to back the "article", but some people truly have no idea about other ways greenhouse gases are let into the atmostphere. Methane from cows, smaller algae blooms in the oceans from trash,

Peat swamps have been drained to expand plantations and, as the peat dries, tons of carbon dioxide is released into the environment.

And Lake Overturn Effect.

[DocOc]

can anyone here disprove the CFL claim? or the biofuel claim? or the nickel claim? or the CO2 claim?
i thought people on this forum were open minded and rational. it turns out you get closed minded whenever someone tries to disprove your point of view.
please think about these issues with a clear and open mind because they are worthy of thought.

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by DocOc

can anyone here disprove the CFL claim? or the biofuel claim? or the nickel claim? or the CO2 claim?
i thought people on this forum were open minded and rational. it turns out you get closed minded whenever someone tries to disprove your point of view.
please think about these issues with a clear and open mind because they are worthy of thought.

DocOc,

See Hummer Greener Than Prius Urban Myth Exploded in regards to the nickel accusations and the Hummer being greener than a Prius.

I don't have a link per se, but Ed Begley took on the mercury in CFLs question....a legit concern, but his reply is the amount of coal to generate the electricity for an incandescent bulb is greater.

Don't know why the nickel question came up as it's been linked in CleanMPG alone several times (see link above)....if it's proven that Toyota uses 0.04% of the nickel in Subury and most of it for steel for their entire line of vehicles, why does this need to be reargued a hundred times, unless there are new facts?

We put News Articles that reveal many news sources are not factual, but propganda, such as the Sudbury nickel story.

If you trust whatever a source such as The American Thinker is a factual source on biofuels, CO2, CFLs, nickel, and consider CleanMPG closed minded, do you have an open mind? Can you provide us with good sources on all those issues?

[Chuck]

In regards to CO2, I'm open to this being a factor.

Bottom line is the Earth is far more complicated than any program an IT staff will ever tackle. My conclusion is avoid fossil fuels to stabilize the environment.

[DocOc]

Originally Posted by Delta Flyer

DocOc,

See Hummer Greener Than Prius Urban Myth Exploded in regards to the nickel accusations and the Hummer being greener than a Prius.

I don't have a link per se, but Ed Begley took on the mercury in CFLs question....a legit concern, but his reply is the amount of coal to generate the electricity for an incandescent bulb is greater.

Don't know why the nickel question came up as it's been linked in CleanMPG alone several times (see link above)....if it's proven that Toyota uses 0.04% of the nickel in Subury and most of it for steel for their entire line of vehicles, why does this need to be reargued a hundred times, unless there are new facts?

We put News Articles that reveal many news sources are not factual, but propganda, such as the Sudbury nickel story.

If you trust whatever a source such as The American Thinker is a factual source on biofuels, CO2, CFLs, nickel, and consider CleanMPG closed minded, do you have an open mind? Can you provide us with good sources on all those issues?

Thanks for the reply.
I read the first link and it seems to be concise enough...the hummer is not greener than a prius (i never argued otherwise).
About CFL (not canadian football league ) I can see how it makes sense to compare coal usage with mercury usage ... but not really. I would personally much rather breathe in exhaust fumes than mercury, but that's just me.
The nickel thing can still be debated with regards to recyclability/disposal. I'm aware that Toyota did not contribute to the arid wasteland of Sudbury.

I don't consider this crowd closed minded, although it does seem that this particular source is shunned due to its affiliations. I still feel the article raised valid concerns regarding so-called environmentalism. If it hadn't it needn't be on this site

[Chuck]

Glad this is sorting out.

Sorry if I got a bit hard on you.

[ILAveo]

Originally Posted by DocOc

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About CFL (not canadian football league ) I can see how it makes sense to compare coal usage with mercury usage ... but not really. I would personally much rather breathe in exhaust fumes than mercury, but that's just me.....

Coal plants give you a mercury-CO2 two-fer. Last study I saw said 40% of US mercury emissions came from coal plants. Presumably if everybody handles fluorescent bulbs responsibly, their mercury emissions are zero (admittedly not a realistic assumption.)