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CleanMPG’s Green Car of the Year and you decide which vehicle takes the title!

View Poll Results: Your Vote for CleanMPG's Green Car of the Year
2009 BMW 118d - Diesel 10 4.48%
2009 Ford Escape - Hybrid 24 10.76%
2009 Ford Focus Econetic - Diesel 6 2.69%
2009 Ford Fiesta Econetic - Diesel 19 8.52%
2010 Mitsubishi MiEV - BEV 27 12.11%
2009 Honda Civic - Hybrid 49 21.97%
2009 Honda Civic - Diesel 25 11.21%
2009 Honda Fit - Conventional 17 7.62%
2009 Honda Clarity - FCV 25 11.21%
2009 Mazda2 - Diesel 9 4.04%
2009 Nissan Altima - Hybrid 3 1.35%
2009 Toyota Camry - Hybrid 10 4.48%
2009 Toyota Corolla XRS - Conventional 3 1.35%
2009 Toyota iQ - Conventional 26 11.66%
2009 Toyota Prius - Hybrid 74 33.18%
2009 Toyota Yaris - Conventional 25 11.21%
2009 Smart ForTwo ED - BEV 18 8.07%
2009 VW Jetta TDI - Diesel 30 13.45%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 223. You may not vote on this poll

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CleanMPG’s Green Car of the Year and you decide which vehicle takes the title!

From Europe, Asia and the US, the best of the best go head to head and it is in your hands who comes out on top.

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Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Dec. 26, 2008

How many Car of the Year winners around the world are there? From a CleanMPG members standpoint, probably far too many with the annual winners and runners up chosen for the wrong reasons and criteria. It is time for us to make our own statement about what is or isn’t worthy of the title “Green Car of the Year.”

The process will first include a large group of fuel efficient or fuel free vehicles to choose from. You can vote for as many of the vehicles as you would like or simply your personal favorite from the long list below. Remember that voting for all is both a waste and diluting. On Dec. 29th @ noon PST, the top three choices per the poll vote will then go after the title with a second round of membership and moderator voting.

The second and final round for the “Green Car of the Year” title will include the entire membership’s choice with just a single vote for just one of the top three vehicles. And here is a twist... The membership’s votes will count for 75% of the final vote while the remaining 25% will be selected from the current CleanMPG moderator’s. We will divide up the votes on the final three vehicles, do the math and award the CleanMPG “Green Car of the Year” award to your favorite.

In practice, everyone receives up to 18 votes in round one to choose the top three of the 18 vehicles listed. You have some thinking to do. The top three in this poll will now go to our final round.

Let us assume Car A, B and C was voted as the final three vehicles. In this final round, the membership voting may have Car A receiving 85 votes, Car B with 80 and Car C with 75 with 240 votes cast. The 10 moderators will have their say and that vote may go Car C with 6, Car A with 2 and Car B with 2 votes.

The winner will be chosen as follows:

CAR A with (85/240)*.75 + (2/10)*.25 = .315625 or 31.56% of the vote
CAR B with (80/240)*.75 + (2/10)*.25 = .300000 or 30.00% of the vote
CAR C with (75/240)*.75 + (6/10)*.25 = .384375 or 38.44% of the vote

Car C would be declared the winner in this case.

Another kicker will be that memberships vote will be anonymous whereas the moderator’s votes will be posted in the final tally with a quick reason as to our own particular choice. That way we will not have a “Green Car of the Year Award” with the judges (moderators) hiding behind a veil of secrecy. Think of last years GCC’s 2-Mode as Green Car of the Year and you get the point.

Without further adieu, welcome to CleanMPG’s “Green Car of the Year” including two EV’s, an FCV and a whole slew of conventionally powered gasoline, diesel and hybrid automobiles.

CleanMPG’s Green Car of the Year Award Candidates

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2009 European BMW 118d – 2.0L turbo-diesel/hybrid

The first consumer available mild hybrid based (12V Start/Stop and regenerative braking) turbo-diesel. Using the latest Piezo-electric injectors at a touch under 30,000 psi and up to 5-injections per combustion cycle yields a vehicle capable of less than 9.0 seconds to 60 mph. At the same time, this Diesel offers an almost unheard of 52.3 mpgUS combined on the NEDC (~ 43 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA) while still maintaining BMW’s exquisite ride, handling and surrounding its owner in luxury.


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2009 US Ford Escape Hybrid

A small SUV nominee in the land of fuel saving sedans and hatches? When said SUV earns a 32 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA and is capable of far more in the right hands (75.7 mpgUS at the 2008 World_FE Championships) this past May, it certainly belongs on this elite list. This year, an all-new 2.5L engine includes more performance and the new Sanyo NiMH pack is smaller yet provides more power. And no need to liquid cool it any more either. All of the above and Ford somehow managed to increase its highway FE by 1 mpg.


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2009 European Ford Focus Econetic – 1.6L TDCi turbo-diesel

The European Focus uses the Mazda3’s excellent handling underpinnings which leads to a bundle of fun while the infamous latest generation Ford/Peugeot collaboration, 1.6L turbo-diesel running the latest variable vane turbo and Piezo-electric injectors at pressures up to 26,500 psi allow a wonderful 54.7 mpgUS combined on the NEDC (~ 45 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA). Excellent fuel economy aside, this power plant still allows the Focus Econetic to reach 60 in a touch under 11 seconds. In 2008, the Focus 1.6L TDCi won the “WhatCar” Green Car of the Year award.


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2009 European Ford Fiesta Econetic – 1.6L TDCi turbo-diesel

The newly designed Ford Fiesta has the Mazda2’s heritage but with a similar 1.6L TDCi diesel engine as in the Focus above. Able to reach 60 in fewer than 12 seconds yet still holds an FE rating of 63.6 mpgUS on the NEDC (~ 52 mpgUS on the 08 Combined). Since its launch in Europe this past October, the all-new Fiesta has already achieved the title of second best selling car in Europe and number one of all vehicles sold in Great Britain. Style and Value never looked so good in a sub-compact.


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2010 Japanese Mitsubishi MiEV – Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV)

This one is indeed a special entry. We were not only fortunate enough to drive this vehicle at the 2008 LA Autoshow “Green Car Ride and Drive Event” but discovered why a BEV designed from the ground up is exactly where we need to go. No local emissions, quiet and eerily smooth accelerations and decelerations that are completely controlled by the driver. The only thing missing is side impact door beams and this one would be ready for US DOT certification! Less than 2,400 pounds with a 16 kWh Li-Ion pack (10 to 12 kWh usable) yields an expected range close to 100 miles. Quiet and as efficient as an automobile can get!


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2009 US Honda Civic Hybrid-II

A spectacular year for the HCH-II here at CleanMPG and definitely a worthy competitor in the elite list. An underdog of sorts given the small sales penetration into the US market but it helped reenact the Centennial of the 1908 NY to San Francisco Race, had a nice showing in 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid review and finally topped the charts with a FE World Record all its own in the Hypermilers complete new Guinness verified World Record at 68.54mpg (US)! drive. At 42 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA and an AT-PZEV emissions rating, the HCH-II is one of the better vehicle choices available anywhere in the world today.


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2009 European Honda Civic – 2.2L iCDTi turbo-diesel

Although it only achieves 36.25 mpgUS combined on the NEDC (~ 30 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA), nothing we have reviewed or driven since other than an Insight 5-speed or a BEV has touched it in terms of real world FE. With performance of 8.5 seconds to 60 mph and an astonishing 85.5_mpg over 1,765 miles during its CleanMPG review, this one is certainly a special vehicle. Along with the environmental and street performance, this 5-door hatch includes Honda’s infamous Magic Seats and an ergonomic driver cockpit like nothing we have driven in the past.


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2009 US Honda Fit

One of the few vehicles in our Monthly Fuel Efficient Vehicle Sales Figures updates that has consistently increased its market share with year to date sales showing an increase of 45.2% through November of 2008. The 09 redesign adds to the previous generation’s unique attributes including better handling and safety, one-touch fold down Magic Seats and quite literally, SUV sized rear cargo capacity. This redesign is more powerful yet retains much of the previous generation’s fuel economy at 31 mpgUS combined. As to its real world FE capability, one member punched out a 70 mpg tank! And all for a price most can afford.


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2009 US Honda Clarity – Fuel Cel Vehicle (FCV)

Yet another unique and luxurious vehicle we had the opportunity to drive at the 2008 LA Autoshow “Green Car Ride and Drive Event”. Powered by H2 and emitting no local emissions other than water, this aerodynamic yet classy looking mid-sized sedan allowed 93 miles per kg of H2 (~ 94 mpgUS) on the LA test loop with no forced charging of its 288 V Li-Ion pack. With the capability to accelerate from a stand still to at least 12 mph (what we experienced), it was both quiet and extremely fuel efficient for its size. Upwards of 200 will be made available through southern CA over the next year.


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2009 European Mazda2 – 1.4L turbo-diesel

Mazda made a splash earlier this year with a sub-compact (B-Class) platform that not only looked great but weighed almost 100 pounds less than its predecessor and included safety features and capabilities not seen in a vehicle at this price previously. Called the Demio in Japan, its real claim to fame came about in late March when it won the coveted World Car of the Year award as judged by a panel of 47 journalists from around the world. The Mazda2 equipped with an optional 1.4L turbo-diesel achieves 57.4 mpgUS combined on the NEDC (~ 47 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA) albeit at a somewhat sluggish 15.4 seconds to 60 mph.


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2009 US Nissan Altima Hybrid

This Hybrid vehicle is a worthy competitor for the Green Car of the Year Award due to its 34 mpg combined rating on the 08 EPA which gives the Altima hybrid the title of most fuel efficient mid-sized sedan currently available in the US. Along with the FE, the Altima Hybrid emissions are rated AT-PZEV while its performance heritage sees 60 mph in as little as 7.5 seconds. Unfortunately, the Altima Hybrid is sold only in the 9 clean-states of CA, CT, MA, ME, NJ, NY, OR, RI, and VT limiting its availability. Finally, its Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) system was built under license from Toyota. Nissan promises to design its own hybrid system in a few short years.


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2009 US Toyota Camry Hybrid

The Toyota Camry Hybrid (TCH) is the US’ ubiquitous Mid-sized full hybrid automobile. The TCH is built directly off the Camry platform which is itself the number one automobile in terms of total sales in the US for 10 of the last 11 years. Although only rated at 34 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA, we have seen any number of TCH drivers achieve 60 + segments using its own version of SHM (TPS 18/IGN 18) on the highway. Besides the Prius, the TCH is the best selling hybrid in the world without telling the world you are driving a “Hybrid” while doing so.


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2009 US Toyota Corolla XRS

Toyota’s Corolla has the distinction of being the most sold nameplate of any vehicle in history. With over 32,000,000 Corolla’s sold since its launch in the mid-60’s, is it any wonder one of the many variants made our cut? In this case, the 2.4L gasoline equipped Corolla XRS allowed a clinic driver to touch almost 50 mpgUS. Further, this performance based Corolla yielded a different kind of achievement. That being 62.7 mpgUS over 554.2 miles during its review from a 25 mpgUS rated vehicle per the 08 EPA. Yes indeed, this one belongs.


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2009 European Toyota iQ

An all-new A-Class sized mini that not only achieves stellar FE results from its base 1.0L gasoline engine but also seats four. The iQ is rated at 54.7 mpgUS combined on the NEDC (~ 45 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA). Along with the excellent FE, safety features abound including 9-air bags plus just about everything else Toyota has to offer wrt Safety HW as described in the Toyota iQ revealed thread. A cute exterior and innovative interior allows almost as much interior room as a Yaris but in an exterior just two-thirds the size. Released in Japan and soon Europe, this one will possibly end up being the least expensive fuel miser on the list.


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2009 US Toyota Prius

When someone talks “Hybrid”, the 46 mpgUS combined rated Prius is usually the first that comes to mind. Since its inception, the Prius has been sold to over 1.2 Million customers worldwide. The Prius had a special year at CleanMPG starting with the LA Discovery Channel pulling multiple 99.9 mpg + segments for the camera, achieved round trip segments from 108 to 136 mpgUS at the World Fuel Economy Championships, made it from Chicago to NY City on a single tank of fuel and finally showed two film crews spectacular numbers while Hypermiling_NY City style. This vehicle is definitely a favorite.


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2009 US Toyota Yaris

The last of the Toyota’s may be the most intriguing. Not because of great technology or extreme fuel economy capability but because of it is currently considered the lowest total cost of ownership vehicle available in the entire US. A 32 mpgUS combined rating on the 08 EPA does not do it justice given many drivers have seen 60 + mpg segments and when pushed, visit 70. Additionally and new for 09, all Yaris’ are equipped with front, side and side curtains as standard equipment. To finish off, 2008 Yaris sales are up 23% compared to last year. Not bad at all for a year when many look at slightly negative sales figures as a positive.


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2009 European Smart ForTwo ED – Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV)

During the Smart ForTwo preview this past spring, we found out not only how comfortable this 2-seater is but the attention it garners from all directions was an unexpected surprise. Although the 1.0L Mitsubishi in the US version is a fuel miser in its own right (number one of all non-Hybrids available at 36 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA), the ED (Electric Drive) BEV is the real deal. Being marketed first in London with a 100 vehicle trial and now more scheduled for Berlin, Italy and soon America, this is the future of the Smart.


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2009 US VW Jetta TDI – 2.0L turbo-diesel

Our final nominee is the all-new 2009 VW Jetta TDI. With an 08 EPA combined rating of 34 mpgUS, this compact fuel miser is the “welcome back” addition to the US as the first consumer diesel to beat the Tier II/Bin5 emissions requirement. Along with the new cleaner emissions and excellent FE ratings, we experienced an 09 TDI at TDIFest 2008. With four in the car, it allowed a decent 65.x mpg over a 20 mile mostly highway driving loop per the aFCD. Maybe not the FE killer we had hoped for but given the TDI takes less than 8.5 seconds to 60 mph, handles well and is reasonably priced off the showroom floor, it is a welcome competitor for the CleanMPG Green Car of the Year.

The list includes some of the World’s best but does not include everything. If you would like to know more about any of the given vehicles, do a search on the vehicle name here at CleanMPG as we have posted or written a number of News and Articles on every vehicle in the list.

Next year, we can expect the Ford Fusion/Milan Hybrid, Insight-II and Prius-III to make their mark but this year, we are voting for what is on the road. Vote your conscience and the memberships vote will decide what vehicle is going to be the “real” Green Car of the Year
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Hmmm. OK, I guess I'm curious as to what the criteria is for the list, because there seem to be some notable omissions. If you are including US-available Only, then the Tesla pops to mind (for the deep-pocket set), as does the more prosaic Civic GX (Natural Gas is only $1 per gallon, and it gets 24C/36H which makes it a top contender). If we weight the voting for the lowest-cost vehicles, then the Chev Aveo (24C/34H) deserves honorable consideration (they are selling at the equivalent of $8k US locally at the moment).

If we expand the forum to cars available only in Europe at the moment, then there are a whole slew of diesels, including the Skoda Fabia Estate (at 68MPG) and the Renault Megane (64 MPG), not to mention the "real" Smart ForTwo CDI which comes in at a whopping 85.6 MPG)

(Up front, let me appologize if the numbers shown are a bit skewed, because I collected them with a google search for "greenest production car 2009", and similar, so the mpg numbers may be highway in some cases, and be nowhere near what EPA would rate them)

If you are looking for a "fun" drive, then the Mini Cooper matches the Corolla gas consumption figures with 28 City and 37 Highway, and the Nissan Altima Hybrid at 35 City/33 Highway is a pretty sporty iteration of the Prius, and as such more likely to appeal to a lot of American sporty-car enthusiasts.

There is also a difference between what we would choose to drive OURSELVES, versus the most useful vehicle that should get government subsidies for JOE PUBLIC (I might want the most tweakable high mpg, where Joe Public needs something that saves a lot, right out of the box, with no special driving techniques).

Just a thought ...
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I think the iQ is the most important car, because it's taking the affordable technology which is currently in use, has no unknowns associated with it and using new techniques and procedures to make it more efficient. I think the iQ will have the biggest impact for these reasons. hybrids simply are not affordable or maybe even viable to the masses, but improving current affordable technology is something which can applied to all types of vehicles and have a positive affect on cars purchased by the masses.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the next gen Yaris due out in 2011 model year benefits from all the advancements found in the new iQ.

Long term the Clarity may end up being the most important on the list, but short term I think the iQ has the most improvements and unique ways of doing the same thing in a new way which can all be applied to any kind of vehicle.
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Hi Chibougamoo:

___Some details… I had the Tesla in the list but it has been in a stop/start mode since its first “supposed” production model hit the streets. I pulled it from the list early yesterday morning during the draft write-up.

___We have done extensive reporting on the “super clean” Civic GX including a preview a few years back but NG costs the same as gasoline locally and with a $25,000 price tag, not many are or will reach the public.

___The Aveo missed the list because of what you posted. Its poor FE.

___I excluded the Skoda and Renault because of the Focus and Fiesta’s overpowering presence throughout Europe including better FE. Last month, the Focus and Fiesta were number one and number two in sales across the EU. When someone mentions the Skoda or Renault here in the US, the reply would more than likely be a blank and empty stare. To bad as the Megane will be the BEV platform for Project Better Place from our last report on the matter.

___The Mini had me on the fence during the three days it took to put this together. I report on it in the monthly sales figures due to its excellent fuel efficiency, its extremely fun to drive nature and currently, it is only one of three models (Fit and Yaris are the other two) that shows an increase in total US sales during our auto market meltdown. The item that dissuaded me from including it was its European sales fell off a cliff. Mini shut down a production facility in Europe to bring inventory more in line with demand so there are some problems overseas. The Civic iCDTi has the same problem (in terms of sales) but I included it because it will trounce every vehicle in the list other than possibly the two small displacement Ford EcoNetics plus the FCV and BEV’s of course.

___The Altima Hybrid is included in the list.

___The Smart Fortwo CDI is an interesting vehicle but I took the ED over the CDI due to the no-local emissions and performance. The .8L CDI does the 0 – 60 dance in 19.7 seconds which is at the bottom and probably not acceptable to 98% of the driving public. The older VW Polo had a similar problem and the Mazda2 with the 1.4 fell into a similar category. I made mention of it in the quick paragraph overview.

___As far as FE ratings, the ForTwo CDI is rated at 71.25 mpgUS on the NEDC (all the vehicles FE figures were quoted in mpgUS, not Imperial) and ~ 58 mpg combined on the 08 EPA. There was an individual that owned and drove a CDI for the Canadian “One-Tonne” CO2 challenge while driving across that country a few years back. IIRC, he pulled ~ 80 mpgUS and while noteworthy, the iCDTi would pull that in its sleep with far more performance, safety, comfort and amenities.

___A note about the diesels… As it stands, the only diesel in the list that can be driven legally in the US (unless manufacturer plated) is the 09 VW TDI. Their biggest Achilles heel is the fuel cost differential unfortunately


Taken less than 2-months ago in Oklahoma City, OK.

___I thought about many factors when choosing the group and not without a lack controversy from a North American citizens perspective. I know many are missing but from a sales and real world FE perspective, the list above is relatively complete given the discussions we have had here at CleanMPG over the years. Far more inclusive and open ended than most anyway

___Finally, the following 8 received my vote in round one.

2009 BMW 118d – Diesel/Hybrid
2009 Ford Fiesta Econetic – Diesel
2010 Mitsubishi MiEV – BEV
2009 Honda Civic – Hybrid
2009 Honda Civic – Diesel
2009 Toyota iQ – Conventional
2009 Toyota Prius - Hybrid
2009 Toyota Yaris - Conventional

___Good Luck

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Hi Voodoo22:

___I really like the iQ tech and capabilities which led me to include it in my first round vote as well.

___Good Luck

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(Thanks for the well-reasoned response!)
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Of course, I voted for the '09 FEH for all the new changes to an American made hybrid. To clarify "the new Sanyo NiMH pack is smaller yet provides more power. And no need to liquid cool it any more either" in the opening statement, the '09 FEH still has the old 330V pack.

The FEH hit the top 10 engines this year and the first hybrid engine ever. The new 2.5L variable intake valve timing Atkinson engine provides much more torque at low RPM which now allows climbing hills much more efficient and controllable. The new broadband lambda heated oxygen sensors help fight the effects of E10 for improved MPG. Ford has also provided a more aggressive DFSO in "D" and almost complete DFSO in "L".

New changes to software and possibly hardware to the eCVT allows a much stronger 40mph EV mode even in headwinds. EV mode can be accessed under acceleration at 1,500 RPM or below under 41mph now or simply letting off the accelerator.

One of the most important green car effects of the FEH is it allows growing families an alternative to the less efficient Mini Vans and SUV. It also allows those growing families presently driving a fuel efficient small vehicle to step up in size without a big loss in FE. The five star crash rating and stability control allows the family to go green and still have safety. My daughter is a perfect example with a 15 month old boy and another on his way in March '09. Her '07 Civic EX is just not big enough for all the baby seats and strollers and go shopping or on vacation. The FEH is easy expandable with the 60/40 fold down seats and there is also the roof rack.

For those who want to go green that want luxury features, Ford has the new Limited FEH with Sync and you can add the new second generation nav sys that has it all.

With 5,000 miles on my '09 FEH, my LMPG is 46.2mpg and growing quickly. Each new day I'm now maintaining 50 plus MPG on E10 and don't expect any more tanks under 50mpg averages. The great part is being able to drive much faster and still take advantage of EV mode.

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Re: CleanMPG’s Green Car of the Year and you decide which vehicle takes the title!

I've been pretty quiet until now.

My selection: 2009 European Honda Civic – 2.2L iCDTi turbo-diesel

Yes, people are going to say diesel and green don't mix - I'm looking at the ability of this sedan to cruise on the highway with economy on the level of the original Insight, but seating five.

Granted, it's not sold in the US, but it could be a chip shot to make it a bit cleaner and put the Insight II dash - think GM would jump if their Cruize had this potential?
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Re: CleanMPG’s Green Car of the Year and you decide which vehicle takes the title!

I have a Prius, but I walk to work. At work, I drive a Civic GX when I have to visit a project site.

I'm pretty green right now.

The Ford Fiesta sounds very interesting.

Let's hope the new greener cars sell when they arrive in showrooms.

Gasoline cheaper than bottled water isn't helping.

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Re: CleanMPG’s Green Car of the Year and you decide which vehicle takes the title!

Well, I am a little biased (no surprise here) so I voted for the 2009 HCH-II and the 2009 Civic Diesel.

On the 2009 Civic Diesel:
Yes, I voted for the cDTI because it would be a machine with awesome potential in North America were it not for the obstacles these vehicles still face. One sad consequence in this story is that it is still not much of a contender in our market - so why would I vote for one if I cannot even buy it? Well, because we're free to dream a bit aren't we? And who says we'll never get one on our shores?

On the HCH-II:
Finally, the HCH-II had one heck of a year and if the Gen 2 HCH is ever going to become the briefest of footnotes in automotive FE achievements then this would be, without a doubt, its glory year.
In other words, unless another and newer vehicle (hybrid or not) arrives to our dealer lots with similar or better highway FE potential , few will argue that the HCH-II will remain the 5 seat title holder for a little while longer.

Also, since the title is "Green Car" let us not forget that the HCH-II is not only an AT-PZEV but also a Tier 2-Bin 2 car. At the exception of the GX, anything running cleaner would have to be full EV classed.


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