(Split from another thread) Has Obama done anything? and related stuff

[ALS]

Originally Posted by mparrish

"The days where we can just drive where we want to drive and eat more than we have to, eat all we want; and keep our thermostats at 72 degrees; those days are over." - Barack Obama

"Drill here & drill now" - John McCain

Sounds like you are taking the Obama message to heart. Well done.

Sorry I'm not voting for the hate America Communist/Socialist.

McCain says drill here drill now AND we implement alternative forms of energy and conservation including increased fuel mileage standards. He wants to do it all.

All Obama wants to do is flap his lips and raise energy taxes.
What is his energy plan? That's right he doesn't have one.
He said he'll put one together after he gets elected.

What was it he said? I wanted energy prices to go up, just not this fast.
Yep he really cares about the little guy trying to survive on a paycheck.





Mod-cap on: I've split the threads. The political-related stuff is now here and the oil prices are still where they belong.

[lamebums]

I'm going to try to keep this as non-partisan as possible, but...

Can any Obama supporter out there name a single thing Obama has done except talk and write?

[xcel]

Hi Auston:

___Can you tell us what McCain has done while in the Senate for 20 + years? I can tell you. Deficits are up by 1,000 %, we are more addicted to oil today than at any point in history and we are now bailing out the Billionaires that placed McCain in office to begin with. That is one heck of a record! How about you write your $3,000 check to one of Paulson's Billionaire buddies tonight to cover the Bailout? Oh screw that. Let us run it at 4% + over the next 100 + years

___Has anyone tracked down his camping contributors and advisors on the economy?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

[Lord Biron]

Originally Posted by lamebums

I'm going to try to keep this as non-partisan as possible, but...

Can any Obama supporter out there name a single thing Obama has done except talk and write?

I know this is not a political forum... but I can only bite my touge for so long...

His bold legislative work on the Illinois Death Penalty, and how he made a difference between life and death:
http://www.icadp.org/page236.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/obama.death.pena... /

His sponsorship of a bill that brought health insurance to 150,000, including 70,000 uninsured Children, again, during his time serving in the Illinois Statehouse:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/f...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712170003

His work on both the Immigration bill during his time in the US senate and his sponsorship of Ethics legislation (something he did both while in the State House, and in the Senate) that called for some of the most impactful reform regarding lobbyists since Watergate (as he likes to term it):
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/f...
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/07/01/200...

but its pointless to argue with you, you have made up your mind already, as many. So do your own research, don't take my word... just look it up, not just listen to Rush, Hanity, or even Ed Shultz. Just do some research.

[lamebums]

Originally Posted by xcel

Hi Auston:

___Can you tell us what McCain has done while in the Senate for 20 + years? I can tell you. Deficits are up by 1,000 %, we are more addicted to oil today than at any point in history and we are now bailing out the Billionaires that placed McCain in office to begin with. That is one heck of a record! How about you write your $3,000 check to one of Paulson's Billionaire buddies tonight to cover the Bailout? Oh screw that. Let us run it at 4% + over the next 100 + years

___Has anyone tracked down his camping contributors and advisors on the economy?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Wayne--

You're acting as if first off I support McCain, which I don't at all. Fifteen minutes of discussion at CincyMPG and you'll see me in an "anyone but McCain" argument with someone else. He's authored bad bill after bad bill. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-whatever. However I do know he predicted this would happen to the financial's some three years and sponsored a bill to reform Fannie and Freddie before this happened. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details but as far as I know no such reform ever passed?

Since 1989, Barack Obama has received more in campaign contributions than all but two other members of Congress. And he's only been in there three years.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008...-of-fanni.html

Originally Posted by Lord Biron

His work on both the Immigration bill during his time in the US senate

The McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill? Great. Now I really have no horse in this race.














Guys, from here on out, let's stay on topic: the oil prices jumping. Wayne, Lord Biron or others, let's take this elsewhere.

[pdk]

Originally Posted by ALS

All Obama wants to do is flap his lips and raise energy taxes.
What is his energy plan? That's right he doesn't have one.
He said he'll put one together after he gets elected.

Um, http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy

Besides, there's only so much anyone can claim to be able to do without knowing how the voting records/popular mandates will work out, or the makeup of Congress, or any number of other factors, so just because he hasn't put forth the exact language of a bill doesn't mean that there's no plan.

Of course, it also doesn't mean that the plan will go in motion. I support Obama, for a number of reasons, but I'm also going to do whatever I can to ensure that he sticks to his promises should he get into office.

Originally Posted by lamebums

Can any Obama supporter out there name a single thing Obama has done except talk and write?

He's served on a boatload of important Senate committees.

http://obama.senate.gov/committees/

[lamebums]

Originally Posted by pdk

He's served on a boatload of important Senate committees.

http://obama.senate.gov/committees/

From the same website I got this:

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

"Not voting, not voting, not voting..."

[mparrish]

Originally Posted by ALS

Sorry I'm not voting for the hate America Communist/Socialist.

McCain says drill here drill now AND we implement alternative forms of energy and conservation including increased fuel mileage standards. He wants to do it all.

All Obama wants to do is flap his lips and raise energy taxes.
What is his energy plan? That's right he doesn't have one.
He said he'll put one together after he gets elected.

What was it he said? I wanted energy prices to go up, just not this fast.
Yep he really cares about the little guy trying to survive on a paycheck.

Yes, I am guilty of injecting "politics" in this thread. I throw myself at the mercy of the thread.

What I found interesting was your wise observation that we all have the ability to reduce our impact instead of looking for an easy scapegoat, and if others would walk the walk like you have (and like me too ), we would go a long way towards mitigating the energy crunch to come.

But the problem is our leaders right? They never level with us. They always blame someone else, tell us we can have our cake and eat it too, avoid sacrifice. Always true huh? And we rightly criticize them for that.

But not Obama. Not here. In his statement I quoted earlier, the man is telling us that the problem is all of us, and that we have to change our ways........everybody........if we are to overcome this. No more inefficient motoring, home powering, and diet.

That's courage. You don't win points for that kind of honesty in the political arena.

There's a great diversity of political opinion in this forum, and that's a good thing. I expect conservatives to vote for McCain, just as I expect liberals to vote for Obama.

But I do expect conservatives to grudgingly respect Obama for his statement, and others like it. The man is giving us our medicine. His prescription may not be the way you want to go, but all the other doctors are telling us that we really aren't sick.

[lamebums]

Hi mparrish--

If we're talking in terms of doctors then Obama is a quack and I'm not even a McCain supporter by a long shot.

I don't think the problem is consumption but rather the need to increase supply. Why should we reduce our consumption? Even if we do, someone else will consume it.

I don't see why we can't drill here and drill now. That will buy us a few years of time before Peak Oil hits. During that time we bring Phev's online powered by alternative energy sources. That includes clean energy such as wind, solar, and nuclear power.

If ten or twenty years from now we can make hydrogen fusion practrical and affordable then it would touch off a new renaissance as energy becomes cheaper than we could ever possibly imagine today.

[pdk]

Originally Posted by lamebums

From the same website I got this:

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

"Not voting, not voting, not voting..."

And if you looked forward a few pages you'd find plenty of votes. Not bad for a guy who's been running a major campaign for about a year and trying to convince people around the country to elect him to the highest office in the land.

Admittedly, it is rather state of affairs that a major campaign has to impede so much on this, but with extended primary and campaign seasons, a grueling 24-hour news cycle (focusing intently on the here-and-now), so many events to attend and so much to do with running any major campaign, it's easy to see how one can miss so many votes.

Of course, when you look at the vote statistics for other presidential candidates from early in the campaign (Chris Dodd has a surprisingly high miss rate) or non-presidential-election Congress's (In '05-'06, 9% missed was the highest, Obama was under 2%), he's actually doing very well. Also, when you compare it to previous presidential election cycles, he's doing quite well. In 2004, Kerry and Edwards missed 72.3% and 45.2% respectively. In a shorter campaign in 2000 (in which he didn't win the nomination), McCain missed 29.5%. Very telling, though are the statistics from 1992 and 1996, which had much lower rates of missed votes, even among the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates (Gore in '92 and Dole in '96). Perhaps you should ask yourself what has changed from then 'til now (24-hour news, the internet revolution, longer campaigns, probably a few other things).

The situation is a little more complicated than a glib dismissal of "see, no votes." And if you'd like to do some more research, you can always go to http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/ as I did.