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Old 05-29-2008, 10:43 PM
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06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

Hi Everybody! Thanks for all the great information!

I am a retail representative so I commute several times a day as I travel from store to store. It's not unheard of for me to drive 5000 miles a month.

I've been employing some hypermiling techniques and have noticed an increase in my fuel efficiency.

I have some niggling concerns I was hoping you all could help me out with. I've been employing the pulse and glide, turning off the engine at the crest of a hill then coasting, and then restarting the engine by shifting into fifth gear (not using the starter). Can this be harmful to my car? I've been doing this to save wear and tear on my starter as well as save fuel. How much fuel is consumed during the initial start up anyway? Do you consume less fuel idling at a stoplight than by restarting your engine?

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Re: 06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

Oh boy are you in for some fun stuff if you want to work that car! And from my old home state, too!!!

You've just described what we call FAS and bump start -- and no -- it isn't harmful for your car if you execute it properly. Be sure to return the ignition to the RUN position after killing the engine so that your electronics work (including airbags!). Also, avoid just "dumping" the clutch -- that can produce quite a jar on re-engagement. Instead, let out the clutch pedal just enough to get a light, brief contact, then push it back in. You want only a momentary contact to get the engine to turn over, then you can rev match and keep going. When done correctly it will be so smooth that any passengers are unlikely to notice.

As for idling, you'll use about 4s worth of idling fuel to start your engine if it is fully warmed up (for this car -- it can be a little longer for other vehicles)

If you want to see what the car is capable of, click on the banner for 'Lantrific in my signature.

Be sure to ask plenty of questions -- we are very happy to help you get better numbers from your car!
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Re: 06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

Hi and welcome to the forum. You may want to start with this article if you haven't already read through it.

Also, make sure your tires are aired up to the maximum pressure indicated on the tire’s sidewall.
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Re: 06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

Wow RLC, those are some really impressive numbers! It's interesting to see how your mileage gradually increased as you added more hypermiling techniques to your arsenal. If you have any more tips or stories relating to your Elantra, I'm all ears.

Thanks for the tire tip Atlaw. I'm curious, has anyone tried filling their tires with nitrogen?
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Re: 06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

All ya'll with your fancy manual transmissions. Bah. Welcome to the site!
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Re: 06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

I'd love to share more -- anything to help out a fellow driver!

The Elantra is a coasting monster. Get those tire pressures up and try coasting in neutral -- I think you'll be shocked at just how far it will roll. Your car has VVT I believe... mine doesn't so it isn't quite as efficient as yours is.

When getting up to speed, I shift into 2nd at about 6mph, 3rd at about 15mph, 4th at 23mph, and 5th at around 32mph. If you need to accelerate faster, just shift at 10, 20, 30, and 40mph. About the best I've seen for steady state driving in this car is 50mpg or so around 20mph letting the car pull itself along in 5th... Obviously this isn't feasible for most driving.

It responds really well to P&G but the reboot time for the ECU is just glacial if you use FAS. I FAS the car an awful lot and there is a point at which you can kill the engine and key back to ON almost immediately. Right around that point the car will sometimes accomplish a reboot much more quickly. I can tell how long it takes by watching the ScanGauge -- it freezes on the last consumption rate seen for the duration of the reboot, then starts updating consumption again. It reads distance measurements just fine during the reboot.

If you don't have a ScanGauge yet, I highly recommend one! You can see my first 40+mpg tank in the logs -- that didn't occur until I got a SG and that tank only had it for about half a tank!

Start looking for the most efficient routes to take advantage of. If you refer back to my graph you'll see a big drop around the August timeframe of last year. I had just switched jobs and was having difficulty with the routes. When I finally latched onto the route I use now for work travel the tank numbers came right back up. Don't underestimate the influence of your chosen roads and times of day for travel!

I recommend starting with the basics first. DWL, DWB, RR, PP, Light Timing, Route Choice, and shutting off at long lights are all good places to get familiar with. FASing is more advanced and you should make sure you keep an eye on the battery voltage (possible with a ScanGauge) -- especially if you do it at night as those headlights really draw a lot of power. Speaking of which, my car won't run the headlights when the key is in the ACC position -- which means the headlights blink when you FAS.

Let me know if there are any particulars around the above that you'd like more explanation of and I'll be happy to expound. Our other members can also help with general techniques that apply to many other cars. I've not been driving my Elantra as much since I bought the Insight (I kept the Elantra as I have a baby on the way ) but I recently managed a 73.0mpg trip in it over about 17mi. Whenever I finish this tank (last filled in January ) it should be a pretty good average.

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Re: 06 Hyundai Elantra Manual Trans

I've been doing the FAS and bump start quite a bit and have accomplished some massive coasts. I carry a good bit of work equipment which adds some weight (a blessing and a curse I guess).

I was demonstrating FAS for my wife yesterday and she couldn't even tell I was doing it. I can't wait to fill up again so I can show her how much gas I'm saving. She's the only thing standing between me and the SG-II right now.

I really need to start thinking about potential parking as I spend a good bit of time in parking lots.

My commute varies day to day and the majority of it is highway driving. It's fairly hilly here in the Midlands so there's a lot of FAS potential. Traditionally, I'm one of the fastest cars on the road, but since I've started visiting this site, I've slowed down quite a bit. I'd really like the SG-II to show me what my optimal highway speed would be.

Is the most recent group buy filled? If so, how often do these group purchases occur?

Thanks again for the info.
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I think the group buy is now filled but we've been starting new ones as soon as the old ones finish. Go ahead and use the "Buy Now" button at the bottom of the green menu on the left when you are ready and you'll be in the queue for the next buy.

Most vehicles (yours included) are most efficient at speeds somewhere between 40 and 45mph -- this is where the internal frictions, efficiencies of the engine, and wind resistance are balanced best. As you go faster wind resistance ramps up quickly and at around 65 or so it starts accounting for most of the work your engine is doing. I personally don't like to go past about 55mph but traffic will dictate what the safest minimum speed is. I drive around 50mph most places -- as long as traffic is able to get around me smoothly slower driving isn't an issue. Just use RR to let other drivers know you are slower and most will go around you well before getting anywhere close.

At highway speeds, you'll want to use high speed P&G with reasonable delta in speed. 10mph is a good difference between max and min speeds if you can manage it. 15mph is even better. In traffic you'll have to vary your delta to compensate for the traffic "knots" and to keep from holding up traffic, but it can be done.

Also note that NICE-ON gliding isn't much less efficient than FASing at high speeds. It is much more crucial to FAS at low speeds as the gas used for moving about isn't much above idling in many cases -- it can be a large percentage of your gas use. I just use NICE-ON for highway P&G work -- it eliminates that pesky reboot lag, too.

Keep working at it and also keep in mind that the SG can help you tweak for much faster improvements -- mine paid for itself in about 3 short months of use and i don't drive nearly as many miles as you do!
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