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With just a quick check of a print-out of what I put in I can see a difference in the SoC.
No real differences in what would be displayed, though.

On the ScanGauge website for SoC:

TXD: 0745224923
RXF: 046285490623
RXD: 3010
MTH: 007D20000000

"New" coding - which I developed to add a small amount of rounding (the 4 at the end of MTH and changing the RXF 8 to 4 to divide by 100 instead of 10):

TXD: 0745224923
RXF: 046245490623
RXD: 3010
MTH: 027110000004

Both of these will either work or not work. Only perceptible difference would be in 10ths of SoC for certain values; also for SoC below 10%, the "new" coding will show 2 decimal places.

For an SoC of 53.00069%, first code will display 52.9 due to truncation in the hex math, the "new" coding would display 53.0 which is why I published that code. In reality Ford has an increment of .0015259% for its SoC PID, and the ScanGauge can only display 1 decimal point for values >9.99 so numerous different values from the FEH will display the same on the ScanGauge.

If you entered the codes from the LinearLogic website and got nothing, you did not enter them correctly. I wrote all the codes you will find for the FEH, although I did not enter them on LL's website and a few errors crept in but nothing that would stop an xgauge from working.

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After about seven years of owning 2005 FEH AWD (original) I finally got my ScanGauge II - and then the XGauge codes LL has listed online didn't work -bummer .
Well I had finally put together a list of codes that seemed to work and I thought there might be some others out there, or will be, that need the same thing.
Well I don't see an way to attach it to this post but I did post it on GreenHybrid in the and had put it on GreenHybrid. After being informed by some one who wrote the book on 2005 and up ScanGauge II codes that I had a lot on there that were wrong - data off etc.
The item deleted is what CarlD is alluding to in ScanGauge Data Depository (post #46)

Seems it could also be a version quirk - If anyone else is having the same problem from version 6.1 please let us know - I am sure LL will what to correct it if it is that.

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After about seven years of owning 2005 FEH AWD (original) I got my ScanGauge II and then the EGauge codes LL has listed online didn't work .
Well I have finally put together a list of codes that will work so I thought there might be some others out there, or will be, that need the same thing.
Well I don't see an way to attach it to this post but I did post it on GreenHybrid in the
ScanGauge Data Depository (post #46)
If you have something different or more then please send them to me.

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I looked at these and have the following comments:

SoC: The codes I showed are correct. You changed the divisor from 1000 to 1100 (4096 vs. 4352), which will result in a displayed value around 3% too low.

TBV: You replicated the alternate coding, which reads from the transmission control module.

BTM: You changed the divisor from 1 to 13. The resultant temps will be way off. The original coding is correct.

TrR and GnR: You added the divide-by-100 scaling in RXF, which yields RPM/100. I tried this before because the ScanGauge limit is 9999 and the 2's complement PID has a range of +/- 32767. For negative speeds, the /100 coding will give erroneous readings. The original coding works for speeds +/- 9999.

MeC: You changed the multiplier from 18 to 10 which will yield wrong values. The original coding is correct.

TxT: You changed the transmitting address to 7F1, which is not an address of any module in the FEH. The original coding polls the transmissin control module at 7E1 and is correct.

CHT: The original code is off by a factor of 10. Your code is off by a factor of 100. The correct code for RXF is: 046205160624

LFT: You changed the receive filter to look for the 07 in the eighth byte instead of the sixth byte. This shouldn't return anything and the original coding is correct.

CAT: You changed the math and the decimal point mover, but the result is the exact same as the original code.

MxC and MxD: These values are in kW, not amps, with a scaling of .25 and both the original code and your code are incorrect. If you leave the 4 in the RXF then the MTH should be 001900010000. I had thought these were in amps when I was discovering these PIDs experimentally, but once I got a hold of Ford's documentation I saw that they were in units of kW.

FRT: You aded 12 to the value, which will give incorrect values. The original coding is correct.

MDV: Both the original code and your changes have the wrong scaling, although the original is much closer. This PID has a scaling of .0625 so with a 4 in the RXF the MTH should be: 001900040000.

Tmx, Tmn, Tav, Txc: You changed the divisor from 1 to 0, which I thought would cause the Scangauge to mess up but apparently it must default to a 1 to prevent division by zero because your code gives the same result as the original code, but the original code is correct.

AC: One is A/C cycling switch, one is A/C clutch switch.

4WD: The original coding is incorrect. Your coding is actually for the duty cycle of the signal being sent to the clutch, which is more or less percent torque to the rear wheels. I don't know what a 9 will do in the RXF, but it should be 0. However, the scaling per Ford's documentation is .39216 which means the MTH should be: 00C800330000. However, even with the clutch duty cycle at 100%I don't think 100% of the torque goes to the rear wheels.

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I looked at these and have the following comments:

SoC: The codes I showed are correct. You changed the divisor from 1000 to 1100 (4096 vs. 4352), which will result in a displayed value around 3% too low.

TBV: You replicated the alternate coding, which reads from the transmission control module.

BTM: You changed the divisor from 1 to
Thanks for catching the mistakes Carl - I have taken the post and pdf file down from GreenHybrid. Had it there because we can't attach a file or anything here.
I think what I had copied most of the codes from was a bad scan of a spreadsheet 'You' had written years ago and I really had problems deciphering them - 0 looked like C's or D's, and vise-verse and 4 and 9 were hard to make out.
Plus after your PM here LL might have made a change - for the worse - in version 6.1. I will and or you put up a copy of the ones that worked on earlier versions for the
AWD FEH. I know you can't attach anything like a spreadsheet here but how about making it into a jpeg and putting it in as a photo - just a thought.

Again - Thanks for all the help to me and others!!
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Thanks for catching the mistakes Carl - I have taken the post and pdf file down from GreenHybrid. Had it there because we can't attach a file or anything here.
I think what I had copied most of the codes from was a bad scan of a spreadsheet 'You' had written years ago and I really had problems deciphering them - 0 looked like C's or D's, and vise-verse and 4 and 9 were hard to make out.
Plus after your PM here LL might have made a change - for the worse - in version 6.1. I will and or you put up a copy of the ones that worked on earlier versions for the
AWD FEH. I know you can't attach anything like a spreadsheet here but how about making it into a jpeg and putting it in as a photo - just a thought.

Again - Thanks for all the help to me and others!!
Phillip

Here's the spreadsheet, I will update as I find the time. Sheet #3 lists the xgauge codes in hopefully a more readable form.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...EliRkdRZmVTbVE
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Carl - A Big Thanks from me and others that needed this information, guess it was online at one time but needed the update. Thanks for all the hard work you had to have put on to get this done and I can tell you are a perfectionist in the best of meanings.

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Why does my TPS show 11 when the pedal is not pressed? Need new scaling or do I have a problem?
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Not all vehicles show TPS as zero when there is no accelerator input. 11 is normal for the FEH.
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Why does my TPS show 11 when the pedal is not pressed? Need new scaling or do I have a problem?
TPS is Throttle Position Sensor, the position of the butterfly in the throttle body. The Atkinson engine does not run below 1000 RPM, so the butterfly has to be open a little bit all of the time. Also, since the throttle is drive-by-wire you will also notice that TPS does not change during EV because the butterfly does not move. Pedal position is different than TPS for a drive-by-wire sytem.
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OK I get that - but I would still like for it to be scaled to read '0' when it is at its normal 1,000 RPM or its normal state. I have know from day one that most of the old mechanical stuff was now fly-by-wire and sometime that makes me wanting for the old days on somethings - like brake and steering.
So there must be a mechanical servo to make it move to the right position and I would say the more power to the servo sent to it by the mechanical throttle to tell it where you want it. So is there a sensor feedback for that servo or whatever it is - then it would work in both ICE and EV and especially the data sent back while in EV would be great because you might find a point that if you go beyond it then bye bye EV.
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