User Name Password    
CleanMPG, Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive.  
MENU
• What is hypermiling? •
CleanMPG to AAA:
• Hypermiling Rebuttal •
 
• Home
• CleanMPG Staff
• Articles
• Fuel Economy Forums
      • Register
Go Hypermiling!

   Car Reviews:

2013 Elantra GT

2013 Elantra Coupe

2013 Lexus ES 300h

2013 Mazda CX-5


2013 Lexus GS 450h

2012 Prius c

2013 Malibu Eco

2012 Hyundai Accent
   Bike and Gear Reviews:

HTC Thunderbolt

2010 R 1200 GS (A)

Kawasaki KLX250SF

Zero S


Aerostich Darien

Shoei Hornet DS

Honda CRF230L

Yamaha XT250


• More Reviews
• Gallery
• Mileage Logs
 
• CleanMPG Store
 
• Calendar
• Glossary
• Garage
• Files
 
• Research
• Related Sites
 
• Archives
• Arcade
 
• Monthly Fuel Efficient •
Vehicle Sales Figures


ScanGauge with X-Gauge: $159.95

Pre-programming, a CleanMPG laser cut decal, and shipping included!



Even better value for members only is available in the latest SG-II w/ X-Gauge Group Buy purchase thread.



While we strive to provide only the highest quality information through our members' offerings, if you find the information provided valuable, please consider a donation so that we can offer an even better experience for the membership and guests well into the future.

Thank you

-Wayne Gerdes
Owner/Admin
CleanMPG



Home Fuel Economy Forums Gallery Mileage Logs

Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   CleanMPG Forums » Information » In the News


In the News News items that may be of interest. These show up on the front page.
Only Moderators may start threads, but anyone can respond to them.

Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.

Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.

Let's force government, not cars, to be more efficient

Tags:

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 07-30-2011, 01:33 AM
msirach's Avatar
msirach msirach is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Vehicles: 2000 Insight,2010 Insight,2010 Prius Solar,2012 Volt Premium
Location: Harrisburg, IL
Posts: 5,890
Let's force government, not cars, to be more efficient

Gerdes certified driving training mandated?

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Gas_Station.jpg
Scott Burgess - DETNEWS - July 30, 2011

What if.................? --Ed.

If the new Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations were a vehicle, it'd be a Ford Edsel, Pontiac Aztek and Chrysler Sebring combined.

No, that's not fair. All of those cars served a purpose and actually could do something.
Now that all the haranguing has finished and a giant number has been attached to CAFE, car guys can get to work and politicians can do whatever it is they do.

Here's what I think of CAFE: It's a farce, a joke, the result of spineless politicians taking the easy road. Over its more than 30 years in existence, it has not reduced U.S. consumption of oil. No, it created more. CAFE, and the people behind it, helped create the Hummer H1 — a beautiful vehicle that was completely misunderstood.

The only thing CAFE does is guarantee future cars will cost a lot more money than present-day cars. But higher-priced cars do help states, which typically collect a percentage of the vehicle's price, known as sales taxes. CAFE is worse than pandering; it's political pandering.

And no one will ever be satisfied. There's one group of greenies — supported by the usual bunch of greenies — who think the fleet average should be at least 60 miles per gallon by 2025 — instead of the new 54.5 mpg standard. No doubt, that number will continue to grow higher as carmakers outpace expectations and create even more efficient vehicles because consumers want them, not because government demands them.

Even today, car sales are not proportional to CAFE standards, and they never have been. The No. 1-selling vehicle in America is the Ford F-Series pickup. The No. 2 selling vehicle is the Chevrolet Silverado. Both vehicles do not top the EPA fuel economy chart. (They are great trucks, though.)

If anyone actually wanted to manipulate the market and force people to buy smaller, more efficient vehicles, they could simply raise the federal gas tax much higher than its current 18.4 cents a gallon. Make it a buck more a gallon. Make it $2 more a gallon. That will push people into smaller cars for sure.


... [Read More]
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 07-30-2011, 04:41 AM
herm herm is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,464
Re: Let's force government, not cars, to be more efficient

so what has been the per-capita gas usage since CAFE was enacted?
Reply With Quote
  #3   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 07-30-2011, 07:34 AM
jimepting jimepting is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicles: Honda Insight 1 MT
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 1,042
Re: Let's force government, not cars, to be more efficient

I like the idea of the Gerdes certified driver! Heck, we could even include that requirement within the driving test for new driver's licenses.

We could also ration gasoline - wouldn't hurt me any. Of course that would require a new government agency and we all know how that would work out ;-)
__________________
Jim Epting
2006 Honda Insight

Last edited by jimepting : 07-30-2011 at 07:36 AM. Reason: addition
Reply With Quote
  #4   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 07-30-2011, 10:32 AM
ItsNotAboutTheMoney ItsNotAboutTheMoney is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Vehicles: 2010 Toyota Prius II, 2008 Honda Civic AT
Location: Maine (41.4mi rtc <=55mph, 18kmi/yr 45mph-65mph)
Posts: 4,836
Re: Let's force government, not cars, to be more efficient

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimepting View Post
I like the idea of the Gerdes certified driver! Heck, we could even include that requirement within the driving test for new driver's licenses.
Well, I like the idea of ensuring drivers are aware of efficient driving techniques as part of their learning to drive. The Free Money is out there.
__________________
My wife loves me: she bought me a ScanGauge.
Reply With Quote
  #5   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 07-30-2011, 11:50 PM
JusBringIt's Avatar
JusBringIt JusBringIt is offline
Be Inspired
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Vehicles: 1999 Dodge Avenger, 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse 5sp
Location: Schenectady, NY
Posts: 6,182
Re: Let's force government, not cars, to be more efficient

www.cleanmpg.org doesn't exactly bring traffic to cleanmpg.com . I'm sure anyone that found that article has enough smarts to find the site however.
__________________
Ricardo

Best Segment: 25.3mi@76.9mpg
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Indiana Government gets first 15 THINK electric cars atlaw4u In the News 0 12-20-2010 08:56 AM
Federal Government to Add 100 Electric Cars atlaw4u In the News 0 10-07-2010 05:04 PM
Defects force Daewoo to recall 58,000 cars ALS In the News 1 04-01-2010 11:25 PM
Government to buy 17,600 US cars by June 1 Right Lane Cruiser In the News 7 04-10-2009 12:15 PM
Tough new cars force rescuers to use vital time xcel In the News 13 04-11-2008 06:53 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:07 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2013, Clean MPG LLC. All Rights Reserved.