User Name Password    
CleanMPG, Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive.  
• What is hypermiling? •
CleanMPG to AAA:
• Hypermiling Rebuttal •
• Home
• CleanMPG Staff
• Articles
• Fuel Economy Forums
      • Register
Go Hypermiling!

   Car Reviews:

2013 Elantra GT

2013 Elantra Coupe

2013 Lexus ES 300h

2013 Mazda CX-5

2013 Lexus GS 450h

2012 Prius c

2013 Malibu Eco

2012 Hyundai Accent
   Bike and Gear Reviews:

HTC Thunderbolt

2010 R 1200 GS (A)

Kawasaki KLX250SF

Zero S

Aerostich Darien

Shoei Hornet DS

Honda CRF230L

Yamaha XT250

• More Reviews
• Gallery
• Mileage Logs
• CleanMPG Store
• Calendar
• Glossary
• Garage
• Files
• Research
• Related Sites
• Archives
• Arcade
• Monthly Fuel Efficient •
Vehicle Sales Figures

ScanGauge with X-Gauge: $159.95

Pre-programming, a CleanMPG laser cut decal, and shipping included!

Even better value for members only is available in the latest SG-II w/ X-Gauge Group Buy purchase thread.

While we strive to provide only the highest quality information through our members' offerings, if you find the information provided valuable, please consider a donation so that we can offer an even better experience for the membership and guests well into the future.

Thank you

-Wayne Gerdes

Home Fuel Economy Forums Gallery Mileage Logs

Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   CleanMPG Forums » Information » In the News

In the News News items that may be of interest. These show up on the front page.
Only Moderators may start threads, but anyone can respond to them.

Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.

Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.

Can you believe this? Conventional power plants fear wind farms could close them


Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Submit to Spurl
Old 03-08-2010, 05:41 PM
Chuck Chuck is offline
just the messenger
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: 2000 Honda Enzyte 5-speed MIMA, CalPod, SGII
Location: Greater Dallas
Posts: 6,255
Can you believe this? Conventional power plants fear wind farms could close them

Influential natural gas producers and generators in Texas are worried.
Peter Behr - NYTIMES - Mar 8, 2010

As Gomer Pyle might say: Suprise! Suprise! Suprise! --Ed.

Not many years ago, there wasn't enough wind power coming from the Great Plains to worry about. Now there is, and lots of people are worrying.

A group of mostly East Coast utility companies calling itself the Coalition for Fair Transmission Policy fears that the prime conditions in the Great Plains will make the region's wind power too cheap for its members to compete with, unless developers there are made to pay the costs of moving wind power eastward.... [Read More]
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Submit to Spurl
Old 03-09-2010, 02:02 PM
beatr911 beatr911 is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Vehicles: '96 Mazda B2300, '88 Kawasaki Concours, '02 Honda Odyssey, '06 Zongshen Sierra 200
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 261
Re: Can you believe this? Conventional power plants fear wind farms could close them

Gee it seems to me that this is what we wanted to happen. This is part of the success story of green energy. That the whole point is to reduce greenhouse gas producing power generation.

The issue here really is that the natural gas generators buried thier head in the sand thinking things would stay the same. Sounds alot like the American auto industry. Some companies have looked ahead and are on board, some think they've missed the boat and are throwing a tantrum saying its not fair. Survival of the fittest I say.
Reply With Quote
  #3   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Submit to Spurl
Old 03-09-2010, 05:50 PM
worthywads worthywads is offline
Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA
Join Date: Mar 2007
Vehicles: 2005 Toyota Tacoma
Location: Ppls Republic of Boulder
Posts: 2,285
Re: Can you believe this? Conventional power plants fear wind farms could close them

Wow I see a totally different take on the concerns.

First natural gas powered electricity is largely backup used for peak demands as needed. They have a direct and nearly immediate response in a system with peaks.

Wind on the other hand is simply the opposite, it get's produced with no user control and may not produce at all at the very time it could be used the most.

Gas electricity will still need to be there when wind fails and it will. The market is interested in suppliers that can guarantee exact output when it is needed. Wind energy needs to figure out how to deliver like everyone else, guarantees and penalties are part of the existing system.

I do agree that if wind must be located a long way from where the power is needed it is the wind farms that should pay for the transmission lines.

Wind isn't fit to survive on it's own.
Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Indiana's emerging wind farms whip up controversy Right Lane Cruiser In the News 18 08-11-2009 04:00 PM
Power Plants: Artificial Trees That Harvest Sun and Wind to Generate Electricity SlowHands In the News 7 05-26-2009 01:56 PM
Offshore wind farms may line U.S. coast atlaw4u In the News 16 09-14-2008 11:40 AM
Wind farms sprout, but will they take root? Chuck In the News 20 06-21-2008 02:58 AM
Wind farms help reduce emissions. xcel In the News 0 07-09-2006 01:10 PM

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:14 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2013, Clean MPG LLC. All Rights Reserved.