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A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

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Old 12-03-2008, 02:56 AM
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Thanks for all the useful info, Manuel. Who better to write this than someone from "Winterpeg" (that's Winnipeg, Manitoba to those not familiar with its common nickname).

A couple points:

I am not familiar with what "mid 3s" refers to in the HCH operational modes. I'm guessing it may be the 'lean burn' mode??

I notice that the rubber seal along the leading underside of the hood has a gap in front of the engine air intake. I assume this is intentional for warm weather conditions. It's possible that sealing the gap between the grille and the hood would feed warmer air into the intake. I remember when cars had a flap on the air intake to draw heated air off the exhaust manifold but I haven't explored the HCH intake duct to see whether it might have something similar.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:14 AM
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Hi Roger;

You are quite right about the seal gap. Although I have not mentioned it before, I have actually covered that portion with cell foam tape: an - almost permanent - application which I peel-off for the summer.

The reason why I did not mention this before is because I am not quite done assessing the full impact that a warmer intake has on the HCH-2 FE during the colder days. I'll post some pics sometime this month after I have a "more empirical view" of its benefits.

The mid 3's is a high FE mode that places the engine consumption rate in the 3 L/100km range when operated in speeds ranging from 35km/h all the way to 65km/h. Many of us actually use this mode a lot. Mind you this is the avg FE, but in this mode you will easily see figures in the 2.2-3.9 l/100km range. This mode only occurs in stage S4... although I've had people telling me that they got it in S3... which is something I have yet to experience.



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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

msantos said "ScanGauge device. It not only displays the engine coolant temperatures but also the intake temperatures which can help us determine the proper amount of grille blocking to perform."

I monitor coolant temp with a ScanGauge in a Prius. What is a good range for intake air temps? What is too High?

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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Hi Rokibler

I honestly don't know all the details yet. From the observations I made thus far and also from the input we get from many other owners, it appears that the intake air temp plays the smallest of roles and is often not regarded as the "low hanging fruit" many of us are looking for.

Honestly, I don't know what is too high in terms of air intake temp. The technical literature I have access to does not have any details on this. I would surmise that if there was ever a risk of reaching a high temp level then that would likely occur in the hotter summer months (?) ... and even then, I am sure there would be other aspects of the system that would experience thermal failure before the upstream combustion process falters.

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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

I'll speak from data collected with my Civic.

Mileage increases almost linearly with ambient (and intake) temperature, up to about 75 F. Above that, up to 100+ degrees, it's nearly level.
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Thanks to msantos and the PaleMelanesian for your responses.
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

I'm getting hit with a battery recharge in nearly the same place every single day. I make sure the battery is full or nearly full by the time I get home for work. Because of the hills and the cold (down to 23 this morning) the car is very assist happy with no regen. This knocks the battery down to 5 may be 6 pips when I get to work. So when I leave work I have to climb a couple of more inclines and down the battery goes. This has happened everyday. Can't wait for the warmer weather.
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Have you tried shifting to "sport mode" or "second 'gear'" for just a moment or the duration of that climb and feathered the pedal to keep it out of the pack?
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Yeah, I've used the "S" mode a couple of times. It always seems to put some drain on the IMA pack. I did try it today going down an incline to a red light after just leaving work. That's usually when the recharge happens. I've tried the "S" mode one other time going up a hill, but the rpms shoot straight up to 2500 - 3000. I don't like that, so I never really use it.

No recharge today. I imagine it was the warmer temps, (mid 50's).

I bought an OEM car cover and I've yet to scrape the windows since I got it, even with temps down in the low 20's.
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Re: A Hybrid Owner’s winter survival guide

Hi Jess;

Kacey's suggestion has some merit especially if you use the S mode strategically - or as he said - "for just a moment or the duration of that climb".

Look at it this way:
As a negative, the RPMS go up and that disturbs the mostly quietly and serene drive the HCH-II affords. But the extra power produced by the higher RPMS during those "brief" times is also not all wasted.
On top of that, you often get a small energy surplus always diverted to the pack in the form of a micro-regen when feathering in S. But even when you don't get that regen because you need more power, the level of assist used is always less than the assist you would use when driving in "D" and that may be the key to enduring the climb without depleeting the pack at all.
On longer climbs you will deplete the pack for sure and there's nothing we can do about it other that to take advantage of whatever other opportunities you can control.

In any case, you lose some FE by using the S mode but the extra energy produced by a slightly higher reviing engine is still more efficient than the costlier to replace assist energy. If you were to get ALL your regens while going downhilll then, Yes... use the assist going uphill. But if a good deal of your regens come mainly from a forced regen, then the "S" mode is still more effective due to lower energy conversions losses you have to deal with.

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