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REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

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Old 08-18-2008, 11:26 PM
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

Wayne,
When you saw the SOC gauge flicker between two values, do you recall how that SOC gauge was programmed. That would answer hobbit's thoughts that L5 doesn't answer solicited IO.

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Old 08-18-2008, 11:41 PM
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

I don't think the Hymo system is "invoking S4" [where, incidentally,
I think you really mean stage 3b that you fall back into *from* S4
when coolant temp drops too low], but if it has its own EV-mode
lead over to the ECU then it's trying to toggle into the mode by
grounding it when the PHEV system is turned on. Now you've got the
Hymo system trying to ground the pin and then the driver's manual
switch [or worse yet, that unreliable Coastal toy] trying to
ground the pin, and since it's a toggle who knows what EV state
you wind up in??
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Well, Jay knows -- you should be able to see that on your canview,
and determine what's going on with the ECU commands. Then if
you rip out Hymo's EV-mode lead and use your own as you've
come to know it, you can handily defeat that return to S3b when
you see it happening, at least at less than 34 mph. That causes
a mild annoyance until the temp [or a resistor hack I maybe see
in your future...] gets back up, then you can have electric-only
mode at the slightly higher speed too.
.
But for the Hymo pack and the driver to be fighting each other
over EV mode is insane. Wire one or the other, not both, and
you know which way I'd vote it for the experienced pilot. The
Hymotion system should come with an easily-removable jumper or
something to configure "EV already exists, we don't need ours".
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I do hope they're reading this thread, and eventually offer
an explanation as to why they never fixed/clarified this from
last year.
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

Hi Dan:

___The SoC was simply swapping back and forth but what was funny and it is even stated in the manual is you cannot view/adjust anything on anything but the Energy screen. Doesn’t the EV switch also force the Energy screen to display no matter what screen was being viewed previously once you push it? The HyMo solution is doing this about every 30 ms which led me to believe HyMo is doing something on the EV switch circuit. Jays EV switch still works so I have no idea what is going on?

___Al, the HyMo is not pushing an S4, you run into it after the idle check. It is when you are in S4 and temp falls below 157 while riding the pack in EV and below 34 mph that the ICE starts up and you have to go into S4 again with an idle check. All of us saw this last Saturday we all let out a sigh of disappointment as it verified the HyMO switch was not working like an OEM EV switch. We were even cycling the switch after being knocked out of S4 above and below 34 mph and in both cases, the switch failed to shut down the ICE. This is a very bad solution for an around town driver with what would normally be a lot of ICE-Off time. Francis’ commute fits this driving cycle and his PHEV’s FE is getting murdered because of it

___An addendum… Francis’ PHEV is not ScanGauge equipped and he has no idea if the ICE is on or off let alone how to handle an EV switch in his daily grind. Jerad pulled his own and installed it in Farancis' PHEV. With a straight up EV switch, Francis should be able to keep the ICE off below 34 mph at any time and for now, it sounds like the best solution. Unless the Pump and inverter cooling requirement caveats need to be addressed as posted earlier?

___Good Luck

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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

I just wanted to bump this thread up one more time before I post the new results.

My commute details will be posted with the next update which should be in the next 24 hours.

I have completed the Highway test and all EV mode test and the results were surprising. Stay tuned to find out the results.
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

Hi Jay:

___I simply cannot wait!!! Tell us now

___Also, does anyone have any info on the ICE pump involved in HSD? I do not even know what it is let alone where it is or what it does? Any idea as to the period of time you can run in EV or speed(s) before that pump must run for a few seconds or minutes? When Jud mentioned it to me last Saturday, I must have looked like a deer in the headlights

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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

The transaxle lube pump question has been floating around for years. Now that there are 50-ish Prius PHEVs on the road, I hope that somebody checks the fluid for wear metals. It's the only way we'll ever know for sure.

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See this pic and this diagram. The pump is at the opposite
end of the transaxle from the engine, and sends a gentle flow
of transmission fluid down the assembly of shafts where small
holes let some out into the bearings along the way as well as
the final-drive chain. It doesn't seem to go much of anywhere
else, just ensures that those parts stay lubricated. The pump
is paradoxically turned by the *ICE* shaft which passes [in
two pieces] all the way through the middle.
.
It is already pretty clear that the bearings [the majority of
which are ball or needle, so they're already very low-friction]
stay adequately lubricated over long periods of engine-off time.
The transmission fluid isn't involved in actual power transmission
like it is in a normal A/T; it's just a lubricant which is one
reason its service interval is so long. The jury is still out
on *very* longterm lubrication issues, such as when weeks on
end go by and someone's commuting to work under EV only and
avoiding even the brief warmup run by invoking EV mode early
enough and staying under 34 mph. Just one shot of ICE-run now
and again is enough to circulate some fresh fluid down the
shaft assembly.
.
There may be some other sources of fluid movement, such as being
carried up the drive chain and falling back over various gears
and parts, but how much of that happens [if at all] depends on
fluid level inside the case and possibly the slope of where the
car's sitting and/or lateral G-forces.
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

lol yea i'd change the interver, ICE coolant, and the transaxle type WS fluid before going for the conversion, but thank god for the great detectives at cleanmpg, this conversion has its flaws! But the EV switch makes up for it, just the 55 km/h speed limit sucks.

I'd make sure i have a minimum amount of oil (ENOS 0W-20 for me) in my engine to speed up warm up time and maybe perhaps half block the upper engine area to conserve engine heat, since you get to use CANVIEW with the conversion I'm sure you can view the temps and keep in check, i know i would!!! Since I"m using minimum amount I'd carry a bottle in case you run out of battery juice (accidentally) and needed to run the engine hard for a long trip.

i'd just pulse and glide below 55 km/h(34mph) and reap in the city benifits. Sometimes I'll cheat and stay below 55 km/h because speed limit on some streets are 50 km/h

But i am so interested in the EV range below 34 mph!!
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

I updated my first post. Please let me know if anything is missing, needs corrected, or if you have any questions. This is not the final write up as I still have to finish my tank which will take a while.
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Re: REVIEW: Hymotion Battery Plug-In Prius

Looks like you'll be getting your money's worth out of this thing! 200+mpg average for most days??

Should I give up on my record distance attempt now?
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