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New SG Firmware Thread.

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Old 08-06-2007, 05:31 PM
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New SG Firmware Thread.

Disclaimer: Ron may smack me... I'm rumor milling here.

Starting this thread to invite the early adopters of the new (yet to be released) SG firmware to post their thoughts. From what Ron (Mr. LinearLogic) said here's what I recall:

Some neat stuff already in SGII
  1. A magic key combo can throw it into "Demo" mode.
  2. You can run it off of a 9v battery if you want to pocket it and pull off data elsewhere.
  3. You can daisy-chain two units together (just think iMPG on one and aMPG on the other).

The first FW rev is attempting to include:
  1. Trip gauges can now be on your 4 gauge display (iMPG and aMPG next to each other)
  2. New gauges - Transmission fluid temp was high on his list for RV'ers.
  3. Custom gauges - Query and response gauges for specific models. Once you get the query codes you can make your own guages to add to the 4-up display. HSD SoC is rumored to be on the working bench.
  4. Possible for-fee firmware-flash upgrade available once the new FW is released. You fedex the SGII in and they FedEx it back to you.

After the first FW rev mentioned above, there is a Second FW rev. This is scheduled to include:
  1. Data logging.
  2. Possible PC (usb or serial) interface.

I haven't heard anything yet on when the (first) new FW rev would be available, but wait patiently. I might just buy a second gauge when it's done. I can't think of any other way to have a SG while the other is off getting flashed. Clearly driving for two weeks without a SG is NOT an option. Once I have two upgraded gauges, I can just give the spare to my Dad for Christmas .

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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

You can daisy-chain two units together (just think iMPG on one and aMPG on the other).

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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

We know you can daisy chain them already. Ive waited so *&$%@^%*&^*&)&&(^%# long for the data logging. Ive basically given up on it. then couple that with the fact about 6 of us ordered our SGI's not knowing the SGII'S were to start shipping in a week to 10 days. Kinda makes one feel like you got burned when you look at a SGI and know SGII's were more than likely right there in the box.

With my luck. I will get a unit with data logging 2 days before the one with cell phone and mp3 player launchs.

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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

Custom gauges would be great. I really want battery current, SoC, maybe throw the current trip average up there too.
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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

Another vote for average on the gauge display.
I'd like to be able to reset the Today segment. There are times when I have a couple stops on the way home and I'd like to see the total trip, without the morning's numbers mixed in.
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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

Data logging and Prius-specifics like SOC and battery draw/charge. That's all I've wanted. Things like precision to 0.01 for gallons used are nice, but the other two first.
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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

The ability to correctly calculate fuel consumed by a lean burn engine would be great. Not having this makes all the mpg-related features useless on a MT Insight. Probably not a high priority, though. Are there any cars with lean burn capability currently on the market?
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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

Part of the problem may be what Honda reports through the ECU.

With the Query/Response configurable gauges it my be possible to "ask the right question" of the ECU to determine if it's in lean burn. Then we would just need to sit down with Ron and figure out how to program up a custom gauge that takes the mixture into account.

For what it's worth, the Prius has the same problem. Right now SGII calculates fuel consumption using two variables, RPM and engine size. On the Prius when the RPM drops below 1000, the injectors cut out. You can get the car to do this at 60 mph if you have strong 6 bar SoC. Problem is that SGII doesn't account for the fuel-cut.

Might have a same query response answer.

boolean fuelCut = QUERY_RESPONSE();
uint rpm = RPM_GAUGE();
uint gph = GPH_GUAGE();
uint mph = MPH_GUAGE();

// Yes... 9999 is no good, but this would give you a fun iMPG guage to track fuelcut.

if(fuelCut) {return 9999;} else {return mph/gph;}

Now from talks with Ron, I didn't get the impression that the gauge programming would be that complex, something more like AND / OR / NOT. The solution would be to have fuelCut return 0x0000 or 0xFFFF, then to use that to AND with gph, but then you'd have to figure out how to handle div-by-zero.

Point is, if the right instructions are available to program the custom gauges, only one guy has to figure out how to do it, the post it on this thread...

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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

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Trip gauges can now be on your 4 gauge display (iMPG and aMPG next to each other)[/list]
Yay! That one is on the top of my list.
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Re: New SG Firmware Thread.

See this post for my own thoughts on the custom-PID feature
as it appears to be being developed, and how with public
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