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Peak coal?

Peak coal: sooner than you think
Forget oil, we may soon run out of coal
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China's only got 40-45 years of reserves left, as of last year . -- Ed.

Coal provides over a quarter of the world's primary energy needs and generates 40 per cent of the world's electricity. Two thirds of global steel production depends on coal.
Global consumption of coal is growing faster than that of oil or natural gas - a reverse of the situation in earlier decades. From 2000 to 2005, coal extraction expanded at an average of 4.8 per cent per year compared to 1.6 per cent per year for oil: although world natural gas consumption had been racing ahead in past years, in 2005 it actually fell slightly.
Looking to the future, many analysts who are concerned about emerging supply constraints for oil and gas foresee a compensating shift to lower-quality fuels. Coal can be converted to a gaseous or liquid fuel, and coal gasification and coal-to-liquids plants are being constructed at record rates.
This expanded use of coal is worrisome to advocates of policies to protect the global climate, some of whom place great hopes in new (mostly untested) technologies to capture and sequester carbon from coal gasification. With or without such technologies, there will almost certainly be more coal in our near future.
According to the widely accepted view, at current production levels proven coal reserves will last 155 years (this according to the World Coal Institute). The US Department of Energy (USDoE) projects annual global coal consumption to grow 2.5 per cent a year through 2030, by which time world consumption will be nearly double that of today.
A startling report: less than we thought!
However, future scenarios for global coal consumption are cast into doubt by two recent European studies on world coal supplies. The first, Coal: Resources and Future Production (PDF 630KB), published on April 5 by the Energy Watch Group, which reports to the German Parliament, found that global coal production could peak in as few as 15 years. This astonishing conclusion was based on a careful analysis of recent reserves revisions for several nations.
The report's authors (Werner Zittel and Jörg Schindler) note that, with regard to global coal reserves, "the data quality is very unreliable", especially for China, South Asia, and the Former Soviet Union countries. Some nations (such as Vietnam) have not updated their proved reserves for decades, in some instances not since the 1960s. China's last update was in 1992; since then, 20 per cent of its reserves have been consumed, though this is not revealed in official figures.
However, since 1986 all nations with significant coal resources (except India and Australia) that have made the effort to update their reserves estimates have reported substantial downward revisions. Some countries - including Botswana, Germany, and the UK - have downgraded their reserves by more than 90 per cent. Poland's reserves are now 50 per cent smaller than was the case 20 years ago.
These downgrades cannot be explained by volumes produced during this period. The best explanation, say the EWG report's authors, is that nations now have better data from more thorough surveys. If that is the case, then future downward revisions are likely from countries that still rely on decades-old reserves estimates. Altogether, the world's reserves of coal have dwindled from 10 trillion tons of hard coal equivalent to 4.2 trillion tons in 2005 - a 60 per cent downward revision in 25 years. … [Read More]
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Re: Peak coal?

I was surprised, but not entirely, to see that the article was penned by Richard Heinberg who also wrote the book, The Party's Over about the coming of Peak Oil.

Another book which would help to get the overall picture on coal is a book by Jeff Goodell called Big Coal. In the first chapter you can get the overall feel of the book. Starting on page six he discusses the conventional wisdom that we have 250 years of coal and in real economic terms how much we can extract and at what cost to the environment. Here's a sample of the book here:

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Re: Peak coal?

I'm not sure of the tonnage, but Southern Illinois still has 1000's of acres of reserves. The problem is that it is high sulfur.
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I'm not sure of the tonnage, but Southern Illinois still has 1000's of acres of reserves. The problem is that it is high sulfur.
Exactly! Therefore it is more costly to use because the sulfur has to be removed to prevent sulfur-monoxide and sulfur-dioxide emissions.
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Re: Peak coal?

Surface coal mining is hard on stream ecology and underground mining kills a lot of miners. Still.

Aside from coal's disadvantages in the burn, its extraction is quite messy overall. Even if we had a 1000 years of coal, it would not be a wise choice.

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Re: Peak coal?

I wish it would all run out sooner than that. We need eco friendly ways to produce power, and no one is going to make the big moves until it's too late.
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Re: Peak coal?

We are running out of fossil fuels, including coal. Those estimates of a 400-year supply of coal are wrong.

I don't expect wind and solar to pick up the slack: nuclear will have to be increased.

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Re: Peak coal?

Peak Nuke? ... Peak Plutonium & Uranium?
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Re: Peak coal?

Thing about nuclear is that we waste so much of the fuel by failing to reprocess it. We are also terrified of breeder technology despite the fact that it essentially lets you manufacture fuel from non-fissile material. If we hit a "peak uranium" in the near future it will be our fault for tying our own hands.
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Re: Peak coal?

What about "peak lithium"?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._06/013966.php

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