Powell Endorses Obama

[GaryG]

Powell lost respect with this Country after his speech to the UN about Iraq having WMD's and the truth that came out later. Today, Powell regained that lost of respect with me by speaking the real truth about this Country and McCain's campaign and his Party's actions.

GaryG

[xcel]

Hi Gary:

___I did not see his endorsement live but will look for it later tonight. My sentiments about the UN WMD speech follow yours and I have not had the same respect for him since. With his open appraisal of today’s political arena according to the politico’s on the Sunday morning talk show circuit this morning, I have regained some respect for him as well.

___Even Newt Gingrich said Powell’s endorsement this morning took McCain’s “No-experience” platform away.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

[bestmapman]

If you belong to a political party and you endorse the other party's candidate, then you are a traitor to your political party. Just see what happens to Joe Lieberman after the election. His chairmanship will be history.

Traitors are always suspect even by their new masters.

The correct way to do this is to switch party's, and then sometime later endorse your candidate.

It would appear to me, it is an endorsement for personal gain. We will know if this is correct, whden Powell gets a position in the government.

[GaryG]

Originally Posted by bestmapman

If you belong to a political party and you endorse the other party's candidate, then you are a traitor to your political party. Just see what happens to Joe Lieberman after the election. His chairmanship will be history.

Traitors are always suspect even by their new masters.

The correct way to do this is to switch party's, and then sometime later endorse your candidate.

It would appear to me, it is an endorsement for personal gain. We will know if this is correct, whden Powell gets a position in the government.

I don't think of Joe Lieberman is a traitor, but more of a prostitute for his own gains. Powell didn't change parties and is in no way a traitor or a prostitute. Powell followed orders IMO of the Commander and Chief like a good soldier was trained. Powell is no longer that soldier and can act on his own now like most good Americans.

GaryG

[bestmapman]

Originally Posted by GaryG

Powell didn't change parties and is in no way a traitor or a prostitute. Powell followed orders IMO of the Commander and Chief like a good soldier was trained. Powell is no longer that soldier and can act on his own now like most good Americans.

GaryG

I can guarantee you one thing, Powell is no longer a Republican.

At that level Powell was at (commissioned officer), you don't just follow orders. If you know they are false or illegal, it is your duty to tell the truth. You may not break the law and claim you are just following orders. If you believe that he knew the truth and was just following orders, then I don't understand your position of support for him. He would be a crimminal then.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by bestmapman

If you belong to a political party and you endorse the other party's candidate, then you are a traitor to your political party. Just see what happens to Joe Lieberman after the election. His chairmanship will be history.

Lieberman was abandoned by the Democrats for supporting the war in Iraq. His own party ran another candidate against him for his Senate seat in the Connecticut primary, and that candidate won the primary. Lieberman then ran as an Independent and won, retaining his job in the Senate. He is a man without a party.

It would appear to me, it is an endorsement for personal gain. We will know if this is correct, whden Powell gets a position in the government.

I think you enormously underestimate Colin Powell and his personal sense of what is right. He stayed with Bush long after he would have preferred, IMO out of his personal sense of duty. This is not a guy who does anything lightly, and certainly not something like this for personal gain.

Plus, given his stature, experience, and the respect given to him by just about everyone, either candidate might have approached him for some position or another; if personal gain were his goal, wouldn't it be a wiser bet not to take sides before the election is over?

[bestmapman]

Originally Posted by wdb

Lieberman was abandoned by the Democrats for supporting the war in Iraq. His own party ran another candidate against him for his Senate seat in the Connecticut primary, and that candidate won the primary. Lieberman then ran as an Independent and won, retaining his job in the Senate.

Lieberman has said he is still a democrat. He votes with the dems and is a chairman of a committee. He has endorsed McCain. He will lose his chairmanship after the election, because the other dems consider him a traitor. Just watch this is what I predict.

Originally Posted by wdb

I think you enormously underestimate Colin Powell and his personal sense of what is right. He stayed with Bush long after he would have preferred, IMO out of his personal sense of duty.

If as others have suggested, he lied about Iraq. If that is so, then he should be disqualified from public office and may have broken several laws. As far as a sense of duty, In the military, your swear to support and defend the constitution, not the president. Standing up for truth is what is honorable. Sticking by someone who falsely got us in Iraq is not honorable. If this is true, it is criminal.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by bestmapman

If as others have suggested, he lied about Iraq. If that is so, then he should be disqualified from public office and may have broken several laws. As far as a sense of duty, In the military, your swear to support and defend the constitution, not the president. Standing up for truth is what is honorable. Sticking by someone who falsely got us in Iraq is not honorable. If this is true, it is criminal.

If everyone who lied about something directly related to the commission of their duty to the country were guilty, Ronald Reagan and his entire staff would have gone to jail.

However in the case of Powell and making a case for the war to the UN, I would agree -- if I could bring myself to believe that he did not believe what he was saying. I can believe he had doubts, but I cannot believe that he flat out did not buy it and went out there and sold it anyway. That would contradict everything else I know about Colin Powell.

[bestmapman]

This side that the traitor comes to obviously doesn't think he is a traitor to his party. They think he has seen the light.

The side that he is betraying thinks he is a traitor to his party.

This is just common sense.

We think Benedict Arnold was a traitor, but the British didn't think he was a traitor.

Bottom line, he is a traitor to one side and a saint to the other.

This country has gotten so polarized it is really a shame.

[mparrish]

The word "traitor" becomes diminished currency when applied broadly. It will pack much less punch in the future.

John Walker Lindh disgusts me. But now that he's in the same group as Colin Powell, maybe I should take a second look.