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xcel 07-06-2012 02:06 PM

Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solution
 
Company touts an actual 3% savings at the pump in real world use.

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Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - July 6, 2012

The really sharp looking 2013 Ford Fusion – With the 1.6L EcoBoost, expect a 37 mpgUS highway number. With Auto Start-Stop, maybe a 26 to 27 mpgUS city rating might be in the cards? We’ll know soon enough.

From a release yesterday, Ford is saying it has at least 25 patents pending for the very affordable “$295 Auto Start-Stop option on the upcoming 2013 Ford Fusion.

According to Ford, the ability to shut down the engine when the car isn’t moving has always been one of the most popular features of hybrid vehicles. In reality, the ability to shut down the engine while moving is far more important as we all know but Ford has to start somewhere. I digress… The new Start-Stop system will be available on the new 2013 Fusion with the 1.6L EcoBoost engine.

Auto Start-Stop switches off the engine when the car stops and instantly restarts it when the driver releases the brake.

The new Fusion is the first Ford vehicle to offer Auto Start-Stop with an Automatic. Since an automatic transmission needs to maintain internal hydraulic pressure even with the engine off, Ford added an electrically driven pump to the transmission along with the upgraded starter motor and the higher capacity absorbed glass mat (AGM) battery.

In order to minimize launch delays after a restart, the engineers wanted to keep the transmission in gear even with the engine off as opposed to shifting it into neutral.

The Auto Start-Stop control system is always considering the next engine restart and by monitoring the 12V’s current capacity and driver’s accessory load (radio, headlights, climate control…). It will then decide whether or not to allow a shut down with subsequent spin up and restart moments later. If the electrical load is too high, Auto Start-Stop may be disabled to prevent a rough restart or being stuck with a discharged battery and inability to spin up the engine for a restart.

Voltage blending - While the engine is running, the alternator produces about 14 to 15 volts, but the battery only produces 12 volts with a full charge. When the Fusion is slowing down with Auto Start-Stop enabled, the load model tracks the vehicle speed and deceleration and then calculates when to ramp down the voltage from the alternator to the battery-only level before the Fusion stops. This blending helps to ensure the driver doesn’t experience any light dimming or sudden fluctuations in ventilation fan speed.

The Auto Start-Stop team has filed several patent applications related to the signal monitoring and controls for the climate control system. On hot summer days, the sun’s energy can heat up a car interior within minutes, quickly making things uncomfortable for the driver and passengers. The Auto Start-Stop monitors the temperature of the evaporator core that starts to rise before the occupants even feel a change inside the car. When this happens, the engine will restart sooner allowing A/C to kick in prior to a driver/passenger getting uncomfortable.

The 2013 Fusion with Auto Start-Stop helps drivers save on gas without getting in the way.

While Ford is poising Auto Start-Stop as a way to save upwards of $220 per year, the average owner will more than likely receive a benefit 1/5th of that amount. This still provides an excellent payback at the pump over the life of the car but when it comes time to change the battery 5 to 7-years down the road, lager CAP AGM’s are more expensive reducing the incentive somewhat. In addition, speaking with colleagues that have driven the very seamless BMW Start-Stop system, most turn it off soon after the newness wears off due to the continuous noise of a subdued start motor continuously spinning the motor up after each stop.

When Auto Start-Stop systems are standard equipment from all manufacturers, we will enjoy the fuel savings without having to delve into the cost factors most including myself struggle with when evaluating or setting out to purchase a new car… After all, even $295 to turn the key a few times a day seems like a lot compared to a CleanMPG’ers daily routine.

chilimac02 07-06-2012 04:20 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
Really wish this feature would be standard on all vehicles.

rfruth 07-06-2012 06:52 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
I think auto start-stop is great so I built one at ford.com, it was as close to the hybrid as I could get (Fusion SE 1.6 auto start-stop + technology package + moon roof = $ 27.4) the hybrid is better equipped, gets much better EPA numbers for only $ 500.00 more than the SE so why bother with the SE (or is that the idea ?)

Bruce 07-06-2012 08:45 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
Quote:

Ford added an electrically driven pump to the transmission
Hmph. Finally, an automatic with potential for bump-starting, and the car doesn't need it. :rolleyes: Makes you wonder how well a FAS at speed would work.

herm 07-07-2012 02:25 AM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
Is it available with a stick shift?

Indigo 07-07-2012 02:47 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
I thought that a car had to have a 32-volt system for stop-start. The original Silverado Hybrid, Malibu Hybrid, and a few others all had 32-volt systems.

rfruth 07-07-2012 08:15 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
One article says uses software to monitor and maintain battery voltage to ensure that the car can start cleanly and quickly when required, as well as a smart climate-control system that can start the engine early if the cabin gets too hot or too cold. - Thats marketing speak for its a 12 volt system with beefed up starter motor & battery IMO http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...-its-different

RedylC94 07-07-2012 08:44 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Indigo (Post 349130)
I thought that a car had to have a 32-volt system for stop-start. ...

Why would it?
What about the stop-start Kia Rio? As I understand, it also uses heavy-duty conventional 12-V hardware, plus software to control the stopping and starting.
Generally, I think dual and high-voltage systems are justifiable mainly for components that consume a lot of electrical energy.

xcel 07-07-2012 11:12 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
Hi Rfruth:

Why did you think it was anything but a 12V system? All basic Stop/Starts use this.

When it comes to assisting or full EV however, than the big packs come in. Not sure why GM's eAssist went that route as they spent a lot of $'s for really no gain vs. their non-hybrid competitors.

Wayne

ItsNotAboutTheMoney 07-07-2012 11:17 PM

Re: Ford’s 13 Fusion with Auto Stop-Start – An Affordable and Better Starting Solutio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Indigo (Post 349130)
I thought that a car had to have a 32-volt system for stop-start. The original Silverado Hybrid, Malibu Hybrid, and a few others all had 32-volt systems.

BAS was a(n overpriced) mild hybrid system rather than just a stop-start system. It had some regeneration and acceleration from a stop to improve fuel economy a little more than a "mini-hybrid" would.


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