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MN Driver 06-01-2012 10:11 AM

Re: BYD e6 Electric Taxi Burns After 112-MPH Drunk Supercar Driver Crash
 
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Originally Posted by WriConsult (Post 345830)
Depends on the chemistry. Lithium-ion cobalt (what's used in laptops and cellphone) is EXTREMELY combustible. But no one to my knowledge is powering a BEV with it.

Lithium polymer is also pretty volatile at high temperatures, I am somewhat concerned about Hyundai's use of it in their hybrids.

IIRC both the Leaf and the Volt use Lithium-ion manganese, which is pretty stable.

Hyundai/Kia, Nissan, and Chevy/Opel are all using Lithium Manganese in their currently released cars.
Hyundai/Kia and Chevy/Opel are using LG Chem cells. Nissan is using AESC(Automotive Energy Supply Corporation) cells.

Tesla used Panasonic Lithium Cobalt in the Roadster and will be using Panasonic Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt(or something similar) in the Model S and X.

WriConsult 06-01-2012 12:04 PM

Re: BYD e6 Electric Taxi Burns After 112-MPH Drunk Supercar Driver Crash
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MN Driver (Post 346013)
Hyundai/Kia, Nissan, and Chevy/Opel are all using Lithium Manganese in their currently released cars.

Do you have a link stating that Hyundai/Kia are using Lithium Manganese? Everything I've ever read about the Sonata/Optima hybrids, including Hyundai's own specs page, says they are using Lithium Polymer.

MN Driver 06-06-2012 10:00 AM

Re: BYD e6 Electric Taxi Burns After 112-MPH Drunk Supercar Driver Crash
 
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/01/11...ntee-for-sona/

Click on the 'show press release', it describes that they are using LG Chem Lithium Manganese. Keep in mind that you can have different cell chemistries that are lithium polymer. Lithium polymer was traditionally only a Lithium Cobalt chemistry but it doesn't necessarily need to be. It's like when a car company says Lithium-ion, it could really be anything if that's all they say and Lithium Polymer is a bit of a blanket for the same thing.

WriConsult 06-06-2012 12:08 PM

Re: BYD e6 Electric Taxi Burns After 112-MPH Drunk Supercar Driver Crash
 
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Originally Posted by MN Driver (Post 346472)
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/01/11...ntee-for-sona/

Click on the 'show press release', it describes that they are using LG Chem Lithium Manganese. Keep in mind that you can have different cell chemistries that are lithium polymer. Lithium polymer was traditionally only a Lithium Cobalt chemistry but it doesn't necessarily need to be. It's like when a car company says Lithium-ion, it could really be anything if that's all they say and Lithium Polymer is a bit of a blanket for the same thing.

Thank you! That actually alleviates my long-held safety concerns about the Hyundai hybrids.

First time ANYWHERE I've seen a statement about the actual chemistry being used. Up until this point I had been under the impression that LiPo was necessarily lithium cobalt, and didn't realize that it could be a stupid blanket label like "Lithium-ion". Again, thanks for the clarification.

MN Driver 06-06-2012 01:42 PM

Re: BYD e6 Electric Taxi Burns After 112-MPH Drunk Supercar Driver Crash
 
I found out when I was watching videos about the Leaf, Volt, etc where GM said that the LG Chem cells they were using were similar Lithium Manganese cells but that the Hyundai ones were lower capacity but could handle a higher discharge rate in proportion to their smaller size.

herm 06-06-2012 02:14 PM

Re: BYD e6 Electric Taxi Burns After 112-MPH Drunk Supercar Driver Crash
 
I believe GM is now using an NMC chemistry on the Volt, along with Hyundai.. and soon Nissan will start using that too.


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