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xcel
01-05-2008, 06:43 PM
A well controlled LiPO equipped BEV appears to be Europe’s direction. (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63026)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2008_European_Mitsubishi_Colt_-_Pininfarina_design.jpgWayne Gerdes – CleanMPG (www.cleanmpg.com) – Jan. 2, 2007

2008 European Mitsubishi Colt CZ3 Cabriolet – This small 4 seat convertible was manufactured by Pininfarina so they know how to manufacture beautiful yet small 4 passenger automobiles.

Turin, Italy - Bolloré and Pininfarina agreed on a 50-50 joint venture to manufacture a BEV sold under the Pininfarina moniker and manufactured in Italy. The highlight of the vehicle will be a revolutionary new Lithium Metal Polymer battery developed by the Bolloré Group.

Revolutionary new battery tech?

The Lithium Metal Polymer battery is an all-solid technology with combustion temperature above 200 degrees C. This chemistry has a distinct safety advantage over a standard LiCoO2 (Cobalt) Li-Ion cel with no thermal runaway occurring upon physical deformation or penetration. Past LMP or the more common description LiPO cel, has had problems with cycle longevity and over charging explosions. With the new thin-film laminates, better QC of the construction materials and very tight control over the charging algorithms, 150,000 miles can easily be achieved. What remains to be seen is does it have an advantage over Li-Nano-phosphate other than possibly cost?

Each battery cell in the proposed pack bundle is protected electronically by passive and active systems that monitor on an ongoing basis its operating efficiency, voltage and temperature of each element. The various cells are encased in a steel container to protect the pack from external forces and chemical interactions.

Environmental and real world performance

The BEV that Bolloré and Pininfarina plan to develop and manufacture will produce no CO2 from the vehicle itself. CO2 will be released in some quantity from the electrical production source however. The vehicle will seat four with an AER of 150 + miles of city driving. The battery is the product of 15 years of research at Bolloré combining the benefit of high energy density with an exceptionally long life, enabling the vehicles it powers to run for at least 125,000 miles and possibly far more without a complete discharge before each recharge.

The BEV will not be nearly as quick as Pininfarina siblings from the companies illustrious past but will be capable of 0 to 30 mph in less than 5 seconds w/ a top speed of 80 mph w/ an automatic transmission.

The battery can be recharged by plugging it into a standard home electrical outlet with a full charge taking approximately five hours. The battery is capable of 5 minute charging providing up to 15 miles AER.

The Pininfarina BEV will be manufactured in a quantity up to 15,000 vehicles per year and be sold in Europe, the United States and Japan in 2010. Depending on popularity, battery production could be ramped up quickly to satisfy stronger than anticipated demand if needed.

Kool Breeze
01-05-2008, 08:07 PM
Now we're talking! 150 miles between charges would take care of 99% of my driving needs! Hopefully Bolloré and Pininfarina come through by 2010. As long as the price is reaonable, I'll be first in line for one!

Right Lane Cruiser
01-05-2008, 08:24 PM
Any indication of price for this thing? The range sounds pretty good...

xcel
01-05-2008, 08:55 PM
Hi Sean:

___Given it is Pininfarina and the $ being worth so little vs. the Euro, I would suspect it will be out of reach for most here in the US. That being said however, Daimler is shipping the base SMART Fortwo out of France for < $11K so maybe there is a chance that this BEV will come in at a decent price that makes sense?

___When looking at the Bolloré cel promises, it appears it does not have the energy density or power capability of an A123Ssytems Li-Nano-phosphate cel but if the price is right and longevity is controlled through everything described above, it makes even more sense.

___As some are saying around the web, we all see FCV’s always 20 years out just as we are seeing A123System’s Li-Ion’s always 2-years out. Eventually, they have to hit the showroom and if A123Systems fail to meet the demand for a stable Li-Ion chemistry, why not JCI, LG, PanasonicEV, Toshiba, Kokam or even Bolloré?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Right Lane Cruiser
01-05-2008, 11:04 PM
I would agree -- the best tech is not always the one that takes over. If it is good enough and available now...

This is one to keep an eye on!

diamondlarry
01-05-2008, 11:29 PM
I want one of these! 150 miles would mean that I would only have to charge ~every other day or more depending on what driving I do. Altough, it would make it extremely difficult to go to the MiHG meets as, even if I would stop at Wayne's for a quick 5 minute charge, I would be at such a low SoC that I would have trouble running a flashlight bulb.:D Even if I could make it to Wayne's, I would have to stop a time or two on the way to the meet for a 5-minute charge. Other than that though, it would serve all of my normal needs.

Blake
01-05-2008, 11:34 PM
The more I read about these BEV's with decent ranges the more I want to get one for my daily commutes. A BEV would more than sufficient for 99.5% of my needs, with the small exception for the very few road trips I take that are longer in distance. I will most likely end up buying one within the next few years and moth balling the Insight to use for my long trips. I can't wait till these cars become common place!

Right Lane Cruiser
01-06-2008, 12:14 AM
That's something I'd love to do as well, Blake!

I'm also hoping that the "range extended BEV" will catch on so that multiple vehicles won't be necessary. Even the Volt's proposed 40mi AER would probably be mostly sufficient for my needs -- especially as hypermiling will likely extend that to something over 50mi of range.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Brian intends to build and what battery tech he is intending to use. I would love to build one myself but even if I did, lead acid batteries are nowhere near sufficient for long term use...

koreberg
01-06-2008, 04:20 AM
Just give me 30 miles at a max speed of 50. That is all I need. But 0-60 in 2 seconds would be a lot of fun :D

diamondlarry
01-06-2008, 06:16 AM
That's something I'd love to do as well, Blake!

I'm also hoping that the "range extended BEV" will catch on so that multiple vehicles won't be necessary. Even the Volt's proposed 40mi AER would probably be mostly sufficient for my needs -- especially as hypermiling will likely extend that to something over 50mi of range.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Brian intends to build and what battery tech he is intending to use. I would love to build one myself but even if I did, lead acid batteries are nowhere near sufficient for long term use...

Sean, one thing to keep in mind is, do you have to have your lights on any at all on your way to work? IIRC, your work only commute is ~44 miles total? If you needed to use headlights any at all in the Volt, I would predict that you would run your SoC to zilch by ~10 miles from home on the return trip.:( Even if you didn't need lights it would seem that any traffic snarls could be deadly. I think you could make under ideal conditions though.;) My work-only commute is just a tick or two over 31 miles with the morning segment needing lights the whole way all year around and I estimate that I would need a minimum of 50 miles AER for safety's sake.

diamondlarry
01-06-2008, 06:23 AM
Wayne, I forgot to ask something: Will the Colt CZ3 Cabriolet be available with a manual transmission. If so, I'd bet that 200+ miles would be a piece of cake with the right techniques.;)

Right Lane Cruiser
01-06-2008, 09:55 AM
Larry, as long as I can cut the power out entirely to coast wherever appropriate momentum conservation should work out nicely.

My morning commute needs headlights the entire time, but my commute home typically does not. Even if I don't quite make it in the morning I'll still have a huge reduction in fuel usage. :D

diamondlarry
01-06-2008, 10:04 AM
Larry, as long as I can cut the power out entirely to coast wherever appropriate momentum conservation should work out nicely.

My morning commute needs headlights the entire time, but my commute home typically does not. Even if I don't quite make it in the morning I'll still have a huge reduction in fuel usage. :D

I know that if anyone can make a 40-mile BEV work for your ~44 mile commute, you would be one of them.;) Your trip home could get interesting unless your employer would let you plug in at work in which case, you would be set.



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