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Chuck
12-01-2007, 12:54 AM
50 million Honda Cubs sold since 1958 - dirty NO & HC emissions drasticly reduced since 2006, but not sold in US :( (http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/eco-friendly-and-vintage-the-honda-c90-is-so-now/)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/533-Innova.jpgChristian Edstrom - New York Times - Nov. 30, 2007

If you are lucky and have $1,500, you might get a Honda Cub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_cub) on ebay. From 2006 on (as the C90/C50), some versions can get 200-348mpg - 50mph max speed -- Ed.

Beyond being the quickest way to telegraph to fellow highway travelers that you enjoy macrobiotic salads and care about the environment, the Toyota Prius gets pretty good gas mileage. But it’s still not as good as the E.P.A. would have you believe.

The original E.P.A. mileage ratings for the Prius were 60 m.p.g. in city driving and 51 on the highway (where the electric motor does much less of the work). But beginning with the 2008 model year, those numbers were recalculated to 48 and 45, partly in response to consumer complaints that real-world mileage didn’t measure up to the E.P.A. numbers. Even so, Prius drivers consistently report 38 to 42 m.p.g. in highway driving and 34 to 35 m.p.g. in city driving.

With those numbers and a substantial price premium over, say, a comparable Corolla, one has to wonder whether the Prius will keep its place at the top of the eco-pyramid. Based on its locavore-and-polar-bear credentials, I think it will. But for drivers who primarily drive in the city, and who are most concerned with actual fuel cost savings, a better solution may be found in keeping your regular car for the odd highway trip and adding a city vehicle from that other Japanese motor conglomerate — Honda.

The Honda C90, introduced in 1958 as the the Honda Cub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_cub), is a 90cc motorcycle whose popularity in developing nations is undisputed. If people were asking Henry Ford for a faster horse, the C90 is Honda’s answer to a better-humored donkey… http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/eco-friendly-and-vintage-the-honda-c90-is-so-now/

southerncannuck
12-01-2007, 10:48 AM
I would buy one of these today if I could. I could then use the Fit for the long trips and the bike for short runs.

Louis B

Chuck
12-01-2007, 02:07 PM
I may not have done all my homework on the Honda Cub

50 million sold since 1958 - the most mass-produced vehicle ever...more than the Ford Model T and VW Beetle put together
It depends on the model, but fuel consumption could range from nearly 200mpg to 348mpg
What I don't know: do US laws legally consider Honda Cubs mopeds? That would make them illegal on freeways, and going 50mph is marginal...wishing for one that would sell in America and could do 60mph at 150mpg.
Remember just a few years ago when the EPA cracked down on lawn mowers and other small gas-powered vehicles? Their NO and HC emissions exceeded even large SUVs, so Honda Cubs before about 2006 are not green....they cleaned this up in 2006.

Earthling
12-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Even so, Prius drivers consistently report 38 to 42 m.p.g. in highway driving and 34 to 35 m.p.g. in city driving.

The usual cliche about Prius not getting good gas mileage. My absolute lowest number is above 43 mpg, in the dead of winter, which is higher than the best number according to that author.

My BMW touring bike is capable of 50 mpg @55 mph, and is built for cross-country touring. A little bike with super-high mileage is good if it fits your needs, but it won't be good on an Interstate due not only to top speed limitations, but also to slow acceleration. It will also likely vibrate too much at higher speeds.

Harry

gflippin
12-01-2007, 04:32 PM
200 mpg is hard to believe, but I'd be all for getting one. I've ridden many scooters and researched many more. The best large displacement scooter I've seen is a Bajaj 150 cc, made in India, that has a 5-spd manual transmission and gets 90 to 100 mpg. It was sold in the U.S. up until last year when the Indian company quit making them. Some of the 50 cc scooters might get up to 100 mpg. But, I've never heard of one getting 200 +.

Greg

Chuck
12-01-2007, 04:37 PM
In my previous post, should have said it can get up to around 200mpg, but probably not at 50mph. Still, I'll bet even Randall (highwater) would like the FE one of these cycles gets at 50mph. :)

BailOut
12-01-2007, 04:57 PM
What I don't know: do US laws legally consider Honda Cubs mopeds?

No. The limitation for moped engines is < 50cc, hence why you see so many minibikes and mopeds with 49cc engines.

The Cub doesn't qualify as its engine is 90cc. That makes it a motorcycle.


Edit: Another moped requirement is a top speed of 30 MPH. Again the Cub doesn't qualify.

lightfoot
12-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Hi Brian,

There are TWO versions of the Cub, a 50cc (might be 49cc) and a 90cc. You're right about the 90cc one but I'm not sure if the smaller one qualifies as a moped or not.

I've ridden a Honda 90 quite a bit and they're great fun bikes, nice handling and brakes. Fine for city of rural use but not suitable for interstate, especially now that speeds have gone up.

I get a huge kick at how Honda has restyled them with hints of sportbike styling.

[/rant on]Why does the mainstream automotive press go out of their way to malign the Prius? This guy takes a gratuitous swipe at the Prius in an article about the Honda Cub. The Cub is interesting in its own right; the snide remarks about the Prius are completely unnecessary. I don't even own a Prius and it offends me.

And what is his source for data supporting the following statement?:
"Prius drivers consistently report 38 to 42 m.p.g. in highway driving and 34 to 35 m.p.g. in city driving."
Perhaps fueleconomy.gov? - but that is hardly a random sample. Certainly the data in the mileage longs here would not support his use of the adverb "consistently". Data here is not a random sample either but is at least averages covering many thousands of miles. Maybe the vaunted accuracy of the NY Times does not extend to its blogs?

Apparently most automotive journalists can't fathom the concept that YMMV depending on how you drive and where you drive?[/rant off]

Chuck
12-01-2007, 09:44 PM
Yeah, the really low FE quotes on the Prius sounds like the all too common gearhead rant of "why doesn't it get better mpg?"

Vooch
12-02-2007, 08:57 AM
I had a Honda 90 back when I was in High School in So Cal - It was a lot of fun, its top speed was around 45. I used it to get to school as well as go to the beach. It was a perfect alternative to Mom and Dad's car.

It was so cheap to run, basically ran on pocket change. I think I bought it for $75 bucks from a neighbor.

It was considered a Motorcycle - same plates, same driver's exam, however much better insurance (very low cost)

msirach
12-02-2007, 09:24 AM
The old Honda's would run forever if you changed the oil and kept the foam air filter clean and re-wetted with 90w. The early 70's version was marketed as a "Trail 90" (CT90) so parents would have a bike to ride with their kids on their "Trail 70" (CT70) and (Mini-Trail) (Z50)
I worked on a lot of these all four years through high school and a year after as a small engine specialist at a local Honda Dealer. They were bullet-proof with minimal maintenance unless the owner tried to work on it. Our area is primarily coal mining and farming. Permatex, and hammers have no place around a Honda engine.



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