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The Europeans get the fast diesel, we get a somewhat fuel efficient one? (http://autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Honda-Civic/228721/#)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2007_Euro_Honda_Civic_Type_R.jpgAutocar – Oct. 23, 2007

The 3-Door Type R-Hatch for European consumption shown. Finally we know something about the rumored diesel going into the US Accord – A hopped up 2.2L iDTEC w/ 180 HP and 320 Ft.-lb’s of torque -- Ed.

Honda is plotting a diesel-powered Civic Type-R according to the company's top powertrain engineer, Kenichi Nagahiro.

"As long as it is in keeping with the Type-R brand we will do it." he told Autocar. "But high revving has to be part of it and that's what we're working on."

A Civic Type-R D is likely to be powered by the most powerful version of next year's new 2.2-litre diesel, which will be launched in the new Accord. It's likely to have at least 180bhp and 320lb ft of torque… http://autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Honda-Civic/228721/#

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Expected fuel economy?

Jeez, they left out the important part!

Harry

Hi Harry:

___Unfortunately, we both know the answer to that question … 40 more HP and almost 70 more Ft.-Lb’s of torque from the same displacement? Given Honda’s path as of late, it will be even to down a notch. After doing a little remedial math, where is the Honda Fit equipped w/ a 50-state compliant yet hopped up 1.5 iDTEC w/ 122 HP and 220 Ft-Lb’s of torque? You know, 43 city/65 highway on the new 08 EPA without hybridization? It is almost if Honda wants to stay buried underneath Toyota’s shadow?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I'm surprised no one's mentioning the link at the bottom of the article about the next CR-X, the CR-Z. Sounds like it's going to have a hybrid system as well. This car will replace the Insight.


http://autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228522/

Jess

Hi Jess:

___We have.

Honda to unveil its Hybrid sports car concept at the 40th International Tokyo Auto Show. (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/in-the-news/t-honda-to-unveil-its-hev-sports-car-concept-at-the-40th-international-tokyo-auto-show-6753.html)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

The thread's link didn't work in my browser (Internet Explorer)
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Wow. It's been so long since I heard about anyone using that browser that I completely forgot it still exists.

None of the browsers I've used in the last few years (Firefox, Mozilla, Safari, Konqueror, Lynx, etc.) have the issue you just mentioned as long as a site's DNS is set up properly (which that one's is).

Hi Bruce:

___A bit OT but Win XP and Win 2000 w/ IE 6.0x and 7.x work like a charm?

___Bailout, IIRC, Firefox had problems with embedded flash but shrinking the vids size in code seems to have alleviated that problem? Konqueror or maybe it was Lynx are hopeless with this :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Alas, another diesel civic I will never see stateside.

A 3 door oiler would be nice indeed. :)

wayne

don't think we should make assumptions about the fuel consumption of the i dtec before its even released nor that the engine will be less economical than the i-cdti (which i now own) just because the engine is more powerful. nor do I see that Honda engines are not as good as Toyoto ones nor that Honda needs to take a back seat with anyone when it comes to fuel economy. The new fit 1.5 petrol looks like being economical and the new 1.3 even more so. but would North Americans say aw its too slow only got 100 bhp at the same time complaining that the 1.5 only does about 42mpg toi the us gallon

cant see my post so will try again

wayne - dont think we should assume that the idtec will be less economical than the cdti just because it will be more powerful. doesn't necessarily follow. the vw pd diesels for example come in different power outputs but are about the same economy wise

also dont think honda engines are inferior to toyotas nor does honda have to apologise for its fuel economy record.

finally with the new fit the new 1.5 petrol is more powerful than before yet does 40 mpg per us gallon. the new 1.3 is set to be very economical yet. so in the us honda could be criticised for the 1.3 as 100 bhp might be thought too low yet criticised for the 1.5 if it "only" does 40 mpg !!! would the fit have been as sucesful in n/a if it had been more economical but only had 82 bhp ?? guess the answer is honda should offer 1.3 & 1.5. not sure if it needs a diesel

Problem is, giving more options increases price and the time to get it to customers. Ford has finally realized this and now packages a set of options and limits the choice customers can make. Honda and Toyota have done this for quite some time and I think that's is how they keep their compacts so low in price.

Hi Vtiman:

___With higher injection pressures, that should help both performance and FE but here in the US they are discussing placing the iDTEC in an overly heavy pig called the new Accord. The Accord is even larger then the Euro Accord and with an MDX auto to handle the diesel's torque, it will kill it in a number of ways vs. the iCDTi w/ the 6-speed in the Civic iCDTi or the TSX available in Europe.

___Did you see the following? CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/reviews/t-cleanmpg-reviews-the-2007-honda-civic-22l-icdti-turbo-diesel-6526.html). We will not receive this vehicle and thus Toyota w/ the Prius-II, TCH and Corolla still owns Honda here in the US. Hopefully the family hybrid will help but we can only speculate :(

___WRT FE, here in the US, Honda has been doing as much as they possibly can to make sure they are buried underneath Toyota’s shadows. In your locale, Honda has the upper hand w/ the iCDTi by a good margin over the D-4D imho :rolleyes: The Fit doesn’t receive 40 mpg on the 07’s and got taken to the woodshed by comparison to the ancient Corolla and Yaris wrt the 08 EPA spec FE.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

according to http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html the accord 2.4 5at weighs 3400 ibs the EX5at the camry 3300 and the tsx 2.4 5at sat nav 3350 aura v6 3650 - is this not right ? my tourer weighs 3600 ibs, the new Ford Mondeo weighs 3600 lbs. so not sure why this makes the us accord an overweight pig why the downer on honda ?? 150/155 hp and over 300ibs/ft is more than adequate for vehicles of this weight even with autos which are a popular combo here in the uk where congestion is making larger autos more popular.

I think that the fit was a toe in the water exercise and the 1.5 was probably the most appropriate. would Americans have liked it so much if it were more economical but had the 84 bhp version we get here. prob not. the new fit looks to be very economical. even if toyotas are more economical in the US than honda that doesnt make them more desirable nor would it be enough reason to make me switch from a Honda.

FWIW, no, I didn't register as a new member.

And vtiman, I don't get the "why the downer on Honda" either.

-mr. bill