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Chuck
08-15-2007, 12:01 PM
Average European car: 43mpg - Japanese car: 50mpg - can't the US do better than 22mpg? (http://www.boston.com/cars/news/articles/2007/08/13/a_drive_toward_fuel_economy/)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2007_Toyota_Yaris_3-door_liftback.jpgBilal Zuberi - www.boston.com (http://www.boston.com/), August 13, 2007

In the last two decades, the automotive industry has been ablaze with innovation -- from cars that park themselves to cars that "clean up" after themselves. Literally, the automobile has grown smarter as technology has enabled manufacturers to rethink their old ways. Unfortunately, the foresight ends there.

This past week, two bills designed to increase fuel economy standards in the United States were introduced in the House of Representatives and promptly shot down. With them, the hope that industry standards would finally catch up with innovations in the field diminished as well. Indeed, Congress has dragged its feet for far too long in forcing automakers to improve fuel economy.

Unfortunately, this latest retreat in Congress is not the first time proposed changes -- changes so minor they were not nearly enough to begin with -- have hinted at improvement, only to fade rapidly. In his State of the Union speech in January, President Bush suggested a 4 percent annual increase in the fuel efficiency of cars and light trucks by 2017. His words did little to catalyze any concrete change. Later, a proposal to increase fuel economy standards by 4 percent annually from 2020 to 2031 died an early death in the House. In short, the United States is no better off today than it was 20 years ago as far as fuel efficiency is concerned.
… http://www.boston.com/cars/news/articles/2007/08/13/a_drive_toward_fuel_economy/

c0da
08-15-2007, 01:38 PM
Consumers have to want more fuel efficient cars or we'll never get them. The automotive industry got people hooked on SUV's when gas was barely over a dollar per gallon and people weren't hurting in their wallets at all. If safety is an issue, they have made sports cars able to crash at over 100mph with the driver surviving so I'm sure they could do the same with compact cars.

Even the prius can take a good hit and still survive. (well, the car won't survive, but you will)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxKmvBJn27Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eautobloggreen%2Ecom%2F2007%2F08%2F15%2Fconsumer%2Daffairs%2Dprius%2Dmay%2Dhave%2Dserious%2Dflaw%2Dwith%2Dcontrol%2F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAAGeCG_TAU&mode=related&search=

AshenGrey
08-16-2007, 07:52 AM
For better fuel economy in the United States to be realized, there has to be a cultural change. In Europe and Japan, a car is just a means of getting somewhere. In the United States, it's a symbol of power and an emblem of sexual prowess (especially the "overcompensating" vehicles like Hummer and Escalade.)

brucepick
08-16-2007, 09:11 AM
For better fuel economy in the United States to be realized, there has to be a cultural change. In Europe and Japan, a car is just a means of getting somewhere. In the United States, it's a symbol of power and an emblem of sexual prowess (especially the "overcompensating" vehicles like Hummer and Escalade.)

True. Unfortunately our government isn't any smarter than the society in general.
Well what did you expect? We elect them.

And Detroit isn't any smarter than that either - we are their market, so they make what we'll buy, or at least they make what they think we'll buy.

As I've written before, cultural changes can be very slow. Example: there are still people who will argue that it's better to not wear a seat belt so you can be "thrown clear" in an accident. Thankfully most folks have gotten the message by now. But it took about 40 years to get this far!

Traal
08-16-2007, 12:22 PM
If the price of gas in the USA ever matched that of Europe or Japan, I think you would see people demanding more fuel-efficient cars.

But no, instead of encouraging demand by instituting a carbon tax to bring that about, it looks like our government wants to restrict supply.

Fenrir
08-16-2007, 01:04 PM
In Europe and Japan, a car is just a means of getting somewhere.No, Europeans use cars to display prowess as well, but perhaps not to as high a degree as Americans do.

And Detroit isn't any smarter than that either - we are their market, so they make what we'll buy, or at least they make what they think we'll buy.I would flip this around and say that "we" buy what they market.



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