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xcel
05-21-2007, 09:23 AM
High gas prices drive search for cheaper, more fuel efficient travel. (http://www.bdtonline.com/local/local_story_140213233.html)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Yamaha_Majesty_Scooter.jpgGreg Jordan - Bluefield Daily Telegraph – May 21, 2007

The Yamaha Majesty available from your local Yamaha dealer is a very fuel efficient yet stylish moped available here in the US.

PRINCETON - Seeing prices at the gas pump approach and even exceed the $3 a gallon range is encouraging more motorists to seek more fuel-efficient ways to get where they need to go.

In other countries, bicycles, motor scooters, and the hybrid of the two, a mo-ped, are more common than cars, said David Sexton of Bluefield. When visiting Southeast Asia with his wife Ai Kimi, a native of Vietnam, Sexton quickly noted the differences between the American and Asian attitudes towards mo-peds.

“In Saigon, there are between 9 and 10 million people, and at least one mo-ped for every one of those people,” he said.

And these small motor and pedal driven cycles are not used simply to transport a rider and a few of his or her belongings. In Vietnam, riders use their mo-peds for tasks Americans usually assign to cars or pick-up trucks.

“I’ve seen pizza deliveries,” Sexton said, recalling one visit. The rider would keep pizzas balanced with one hand and drive with the other. Another delivery carrier was using his mo-ped to haul televisions; again, strapped to the cycle’s back and balanced with one hand while he drove with the other.

“Yet here in America, we would never consider that a workhorse,” Sexton said.

What is more, the mo-peds are driven “New York style” on roadways in Thailand and Vietnam: High speed, bumper-to-bumper, and no turn signals, Sexton said. The only real signal is loudly honking your horn to announce “Here I come!”

Despite this aggressiveness, Sexton saw only two wrecks in the 30 days he spent in Southeast Asia: One crash in Thailand, another in Vietnam. Even when driving at high speed, the Asian drivers were aware of the situation around them … http://www.bdtonline.com/local/local_story_140213233.html

Earthling
05-21-2007, 09:54 AM
Teresa Guill, marketing director for Cole Harley-Davidson in Bluefield said “You will probably see more motorcycles on the road” as gas prices stay high.

That is absolutely true here where I live. There are plenty of Harleys around, but the last couple of years I am seeing more used Japanese bikes on the road, and more people riding motorcycles to work.

I rode my motorcycle to work this morning. It does get 50 mpg @ 55 mph, around 45 mpg at 70+ mph. It's 1140 cc, and is capable of long-distance, high-speed travel, as well as around town errands and commuting to work.

I have been meaning to bring up this subject. With more people riding motorcycles for the fuel economy, all motorists need to pay more attention to looking for motorcycles in traffic for safety reasons. Many of these new riders do not have much experience or training and aren't highly skilled. They are trying to be green, so give them a little extra space on the road.

thanks,

Harry

brick
05-21-2007, 10:02 AM
A long time ago (maybe 8-10 years?) I watched a segment on TV about a motorcycle-like vehicle that some European company had developed. They had basically made a long two wheel, two-occupant (passenger behind the driver) fully-enclosed commuter vehicle that used a couple of "training wheels" that deployed at very low speed and when coming to a stop. Call it a motorcycle for car drivers. That's what I want. :)

Earthling
05-21-2007, 10:49 AM
A long time ago (maybe 8-10 years?) I watched a segment on TV about a motorcycle-like vehicle that some European company had developed. They had basically made a long two wheel, two-occupant (passenger behind the driver) fully-enclosed commuter vehicle that used a couple of "training wheels" that deployed at very low speed and when coming to a stop. Call it a motorcycle for car drivers. That's what I want. :)

The early ones were made in Switzerland. The motor is a BMW K100 inline 4-cylinder. I saw one of these vehicles at a BMW bike rally in Vermont last summer. The vehicles get very high fuel economy due to the extremely low drag. The biggest downside was the high cost of the low-production vehicle.

I found the website just now, thanks to Google:

http://www.peraves.ch/

Harry

brick
05-21-2007, 10:51 AM
That's it!

c0da
05-21-2007, 01:19 PM
That thing looks kinda scary to drive. I keep getting the feeling it's going to topple over onto it's side and skid across the pavement. What keeps it from tilting over if you can't put your foot out to stop it?

Earthling
05-21-2007, 01:25 PM
From the web site:

MECHANICS
4-cylinder-in line BMW-K100-engine 987 ccm, liquid cooling. Dry monodisc-clutch.
PG-gearbox, 4 forward speeds and electrically unlockable reverse, shifted by teleflex lever, electrically on option. Monolever shaft drive.
3 brake discs with 4-piston hydraulic calipers. Fully integrated-, optionally electronic Anti-Lock-Brake-System &/or mechanical parking brake on rear wheel.
Aluminium 8-or 3-spoke-wheels MT-H2-type of various sizes standard or optional with VB-tires, ZR-tires on option.
Computer-supervised electrical SERVO-stabilizer-system with manual lowering backup.

It's got computer-controlled outriggers that deploy as the vehicle comes to a stop. The outriggers can also be deployed manually.

The web site has an english version, and there are film clips available of the vehicles in motion.

Harry

Dan
05-21-2007, 04:27 PM
The return of the Mo-Ped...

I've never seen a mo-ped in the US (manual + electric). Just found one after searching.

Target : Mongoose Electric Comfort Bicycle - Silver/ Green (http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-1/qid=1179778510/ref=sr_1_1/602-3027950-5309463?ie=UTF8&asin=B000CQVBGY)

Here's another article that got me thinking about them.

EVWORLD FEATURE: The 175 Watt Solution: Electric Bicycles | Interbike 2006 (http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1111)

They seem dang hard to find... most of the one's I see don't have manual assist. I don't mind pedling, but in the past when I bike I the trip back is always twice as long and hard as the one out. Would be nice to get a bit of an EV boost.

I've always wanted a mo-ped since I was a kid, so maybe Santa can spring $350 for it this year.

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Ohh... With my Power inverter I could actually charge the bike from my Prius!
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Alexstarfire
05-21-2007, 05:12 PM
Mopeds and all those little scooters are great for commuting around by yourself, or even with a passenger. Most of the ones I saw while in Taiwan had a compartment under the seat, and depending on the size of your scooter can be pretty big. You couldn't fit a pizza or a TV in there, but you could fit several drinks and a lot of other stuff around that size.

They get great milage, but I don't think I'd ever use one to move a TV, maybe a pizza if it's only one or two boxes.

I'd like to get one for here, but the distances you travel here are a lot farther than those in Taiwan or Saigon. In both of those places everything is pretty close together. They may not be next to each other like in NYC or something, but they aren't as spread out as in the suburbs either, it's kind of in between. Not sure if it'd work in the suburbs, but in the city it would be fantastic. It'd at least get rid of a lot of the traffic since you can fit more of them in the same space as a car.

Bruce
05-22-2007, 08:36 AM
The vehicles get very high fuel economy due to the extremely low drag.

Best I saw on the website was 4.15l/100km at 90km/h, or 56.7 MPG at 56 MPH. Roughly equal to a Prius, but the Prius would have much better crash protection and four wheels.

Chuck
05-22-2007, 09:15 AM
I would not mind a more international group - it would highlight how much we Americans consume.



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