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Just got back from having the Honda dealer change my oil and filter. Had a Fram oil filter, since Insight parts are not very common. A guy there explained that the Honda filters are designed to get oil pressure up almost instantly - not the 10-15 seconds conventional filters take. This reduces wear and tear on the pistions, crankshaft, etc.

This is critical info for all who FAS and P&G.

What I'll do is drive the car 10 seconds before cutting the engine to make sure the oil circulates.

I'll still do P&G, but there may be times I'll feather the accelerator instead.

Hi Chuck:

___The guy is full of it ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

AFAIK getting oil pressure up has absolutely nothing to do with the filter.

The oil pump pulls directly from the bottom of the oil pan and the oil has to travel to the top of the engine and then fall back down through the components. I think this means that viscosity and temperature are the two keys to making the oil flow early.

One reason that synthetics and/or some additives (like Lucas Oil Treatment) are so popular is that they leave a coating on the various engine components where normal oil all drains off into the pan. This means that when you do a cold start there is already some lubrication in place vs. running "dry" until your cold oil makes its way there from the oil pan.

I have never before heard of a filter manufacturer claiming that their product delivers oil faster. Even K&N - a performance-oriented company - simply says their filter helps protect high-performance engines with better filtration - not some oil-to-the-parts miracle.

As long as the oil filter has a decent anti drainback valve, there should be no delay in getting oil pressure up. If the oil filter is installed vertically, no anti drainback valve is required.

I don't know about the Insight, but the Camry Hybrid oil filter is vertically mounted - no anti drainback valve needed as gravity keeps it full.

FYI - K&N states the following about anti drainback valves:

K&N PERFORMANCE GOLD OIL FILTER

* Anti-drainback valve (where applicable) eliminates dry starts, prevents oil from draining back into crankcase during engine shutdown

I think the Honda guy was talking about the anti-drainback valve.

The Insight and CRX oil filters are horizontal.

We Volvo buffs have long known that the those cars' OEM Mann filters are far superior to the Fram, for exactly the same reason: the Fram has an inferior or missing anti-drainback valve. The low-oil-pressure light remains on for several seconds while the filter is refilled.

With the OEM/Mann filter the light goes out as soon as the engine catches.

Hi Brucepick:

___One of the best ADBV’s in the business comes from Champion Lab’s, makers of the Walmart SuperTech, STP, Bosch and Mobil1 oil filters.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I'll be watching how quickly the oil gage light cuts off cranking the car.

I use nothing but, M1 or PureOne oil filters....

I use Wix, all the filter analyses i've seen on the net give them an excellent rating among the standard budget brands.

After reading filter info on bobistheoilguy.com and a few other sites, I bought a Supertech, Fram, and used a used Amsoil. I cut the cans off with a cut-off wheel. The Fram was BAD. cardboard base and the element looked like a course brown paper grocery bag material. Supertech looked good, but the Amsoil looked very good. AutoZone did have a filter display. The cans were cut and you could compare about 8 different brands. For the price, I would use a Supertech if I changed my oil and filter at the manufacturer's recommended interval. I use the Amsoil filter since I change the filter every 12000 and oil at 36000. I just turned over 149,000 tonight and it uses no oil between changes.

After reading filter info on bobistheoilguy.com and a few other sites, I bought a Supertech, Fram, and used a used Amsoil. I cut the cans off with a cut-off wheel. The Fram was BAD. cardboard base and the element looked like a course brown paper grocery bag material. Supertech looked good, but the Amsoil looked very good. AutoZone did have a filter display. The cans were cut and you could compare about 8 different brands. For the price, I would use a Supertech if I changed my oil and filter at the manufacturer's recommended interval. I use the Amsoil filter since I change the filter every 12000 and oil at 36000. I just turned over 149,000 tonight and it uses no oil between changes.

Is this Supertech filter a Walmart brand oil filter?

Chuck:
I will never use a Fram. A few years ago when I changed to Amsoil products, I got into an oil filter debate with a couple Fram users at work. I bought the cheap Fram, a WMT Supertech filter. I used a cutting wheel on a grinder and cut the cans off of those two and a used Amsoil.

Amsoil had the most pleats and Supertech looked good. The Fram was constructed of BROWN cardboard and the filter media looked like the material of a brown paper sack and had been fan folded on the kitchen table.



I just found this website: Filter Study (http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html)

My comments are a bit more crude on the Fram, but still the same result.

They recommend not using: Fram, Penzoil, and Quakerstate filters because they are all made by Fram.

I use purolator pure one filters after I saw a filter study that was similar... it compaired roughly 30 or so brands of filters... the pure one filter rated at the top, along with the k&n and mobil one filters, but was the cheaper of the three... actually IRC the purolator pure one filter was a tab bit better as well.

Yes the Supertech filter is a walmart relabeled filter. Its not made by walmart but I can't remember off hand who actually makes it. I think bosch?

Hi Blake:

___The Mobil1, Bosch and SuperTech are all made by Champion Labs w/ either semi-synthetic or full synthetic (Mobil1) filter media. I am not sure if the Pure One is or not?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I know that pure one filter are definitely different than mobil one. I've used both and have cut them both open. The pure one filter has more media inside but I wouldn't hesitate to use either Mobil 1 or pure one filters. Pure one filters are typically a bit cheaper so I usually go with that. Supertech filters are almost as nice as the mobil 1 filters, the only difference is what the filtering media is made out of, but they are much cheaper than the mobil one filters.

When I was driving the fiero I used the K&N filters because it had a nut on the backplate which made it easier to get off... anyone that has changed the oil in a V-6 fiero knows exactly what I'm talking about :D Its a job and a half... Even more so now that my fiero has a V-8 in it. That car is parked now ;)

Of all the filters made I know which one I'll NEVER use... that being any product made by FRAM. They just plain suck.

Hi Blake:
Of all the filters made I know which one I'll NEVER use... that being any product made by FRAM. They just plain suck.___Yup!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I just noticed the talk about anti-drainback valves and have two cents to throw in. OEM Mann and Mahle filters for my TDI have an internal baffle that helps keep oil in / near the filter, which is near the top of the engine. The filter is mounted vertically as well. I recall a few posts on TDIClub from people who found their engines were noisier on startup after changing their oil. In some cases, it turned out that a cheap filter without the baffle was installed. Shockingly, the European built Fram filters for the TDI are decent, some think they may be built by the same company that does OEM. The Asian ones are typical Fram garbage though.

I also use and recommend the Purolator PureOne filters too. As others have said, they are of good quality from all I've read, and they're priced well.