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xcel
04-18-2007, 05:17 PM
"The challenge we face is that a vast majority of our customers choose fuel based on cost and convenience… even over concerns such as green house gases." (http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/UPDATE/704180488/1148/AUTO01)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Ethanol_as_oils_replacement_moved_back_to_2030.jpgEric Morath - Detroit News - April 18, 2007

Congress passed energy legislation in 1992 mandating that 30 percent of the fuel used to run U.S. cars and trucks by 2010 come from ethanol, natural gas, hydrogen, electricity or other replacement fuels. It appears that target will be missed.

DETROIT -- Moments after a top Environmental Protection Agency official called on automakers and oil companies to work more closely together to cut emissions and improve fuel economy, representatives from both industries widely disagreed on the means by which to reach those goals.

"The most effective way to lower carbon levels is to take a system approach … improvement can be made to both the fuel and the engine," said Margo Oge, director of the EPA's Office of Transportation and Air Quality. She spoke today at a panel discussion regarding polices and issues surrounding future fuel choices at the SAE World Congress held at Cobo Center.

Considering increases in vehicle traffic, to reduce carbon emissions to those seen in 1990, either the auto industry would have to more than double its average fleet gas mileage to 56 mpg or fuel companies would have to produce 15 times as much renewable fuel as they do today, Oge said.

She suggested that working together the industries could achieve the overall goal of pollution reduction, but lower their industry targets to more realistic levels of fuel efficiency and renewable production.

Four representatives from the automotive and fuel industries, however, seemed worlds apart on whether ethanol, gasoline or hydrogen would be the future of vehicle propulsion, as well as on how future fuels would be taxed and regulated.

BMW AG's Christoph Huss shook his head as Samantha Slater of the Renewable Fuels Association said the nation's ethanol producers would "blow away" government mandated production levels.

Huss, BMW senior vice president for science and traffic policy, said the German automaker still sees hydrogen as the long-term answer to the energy and pollution challenges of the automobile. He acknowledged that hydrogen appears to be losing ground to the biodiesel and ethanol in the minds of many Americas … http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/UPDATE/704180488/1148/AUTO01

Pravus Prime
04-18-2007, 06:48 PM
And let me guess, if they don't meet the target, nothing happens?

xcel
04-18-2007, 07:37 PM
Hi Rich:
And let me guess, if they don't meet the target, nothing happens?___Not exactly. If the Domestics don’t improve their Fleet FE, the Asians will do it for them … The end result will be no more Big 2.5 :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

brick
04-18-2007, 07:46 PM
How about this:

Reducing our consumption of foreign oil requires people changing. And you can't make people change; they have to want to. Wanting to change involves seeing some kind of tangible benefit, so let's go through our options:

-Reduced emissions? No, the exhaust goes out the back and we're looking out the front. Sometimes.

-Cutting off funding for people who hate us? Well, it's only the neighbor's kid risking his life on foreign soil. And I only talk to his dad, like, once a month. Oh, hold on, Paris Hilton is on TV again...

-Money? DING DING DING! We like money! We want to keep our money! And it has to be a lot of money in order for me to give up my H3 because Lord knows that my neighbor's daugher will never talk to me if she doesn't see me in my sweet ride.

What, you say? My H3 is a flex fuel vehicle? That makes me cool, right? Nice, I'm going to order a bumper sticker right now! But hold on. If I actually use E85 I'm going to spend...like...20% more per mile. [Satirist's interjection: only of the government keeps subsidizing the living crap out of the stuff.] I'm not into spending 20% more. I need that for the "flex fuel makes me cool" bumper sticker and the 20" chrome wheels in order to make my neighbor's daughter think I'm cool. (She's been preocupied by something lately...just have to try harder.) I'll take 25 gallons of unleaded, please.
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And that's pretty much what we're up against.



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