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Presenting the Summer 2011 Challenge, running from July 1 through September 30. (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39735)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Jeff_Townsley_-_Civic_on_the_road.jpgAndrew McGuckin - CleanMPG (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/../) - July 1, 2011

This is the fourteenth episode of our quarterly challenge to beat the EPA mileage ratings. The winner is the driver who beats the EPA by the highest percentage. It's getting warmer, so the FE should really start skyrocketing! ;)

Drive your daily routes in your normal car. Real-world cars, real-world routes, everyday conditions, etc. This is where the real results prove the value of hypermiling. Remember the CleanMPG motto, "Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive".

Results from previous economy runs:
I: February - May 2008. Winner: PaleMelanesian (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11595)
II: June - August, 2008. Winners: CobraPond (A), lamebums (B) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15528)
III: Sept - Nov 2008. Winners: CobraPond (A), MT bucket (B), jps000 (C) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17843)
IV: Dec 2008 - Feb 2009. Winners: lnmcmahan (A), GaryG (B), jhu (C) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20084)
V: March - May 2009. Winners: lnmcmahan (A), nissynis (B), Damionk (C) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22490)
VI: June - Sept 2009. Winners: cpeter38, froggman, Taliesin, Kacey Green (marathon) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25603%22)
VII: Oct - Dec 2009. Winners: cpeter38 (A), Swineone (B, Marathon), some_other_dave (C) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28650)
VIII: Winners: GaryG (A), Sulfuric (B), jimepting (C, highest mpg), tpmjr2004 (Marathon), Right Lane Cruiser (Winter) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28032)
IX: Winners: PaleMelanesian (A), jimepting (B), LinuxGold (C), tpmjr2004 (Marathon), Right Lane Cruiser (Highest MPG) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33717)
X: Winners: PaleMelanesian (A), VegasDude (B), some_other_dave (C), tpmjr2004 (Marathon) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33222)
XI:Winners: VegasDude (A), Sulfuric (B), epurvee (C), Mr. Pancake (Marathon, Winter) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35135)
XII: Winners: GaryG (A), FSUspectra (B), Mr. Pancake (Winter) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37188)
XIII: Winners: PaleMelanesian (A), KiloDelta (B), basjoos (Marathon) (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38580)

How to Join
To participate in this Fuel Economy Challenge, all you have to do is the following:
Create a new mileage log. This will be an alter-ego of your vehicle, except make sure you use the 2008 EPA ratings for your car found at www.fueleconomy.gov (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/). Please use a new log and leave the previous challenge logs as-is until the results are finalized and a post is made saying logs can be recycled if you choose to do so. Once finalized, the previous vehicles can be deleted.
Post here in this thread to announce your participation. Be sure to include a link to your new mileage log.
Drive
Post in this thread with updates. No need to start with a fresh fill, just include the fills that fall within the challenge months. There is no minimum mileage or number of fill-ups, only a request for no single-tank entries. We want complete daily driving records, not cherry-picked entries.
Entries will be accepted for one month, after which the participation list will be final.
Report your final fill within 7 days past the end of the challenge.The standings here on page 1 will be updated periodically (by CleanMPG staff members).


Handicaps
For a level playing field, we will all use the new revised EPA estimates for fuel economy. If you are using a handicap, please list it when you announce your participation.
Hybrid Handicap: Reduce your EPA ratings by multiplying by 0.85. Hybrids are already optimized for good mileage by automatically doing many of the things hypermilers do.
E10 Handicap: Reduce your EPA ratings by 3%, to match the reduced BTU of 10% ethanol.
Part-time E10: If you only sometimes use E10, log 3% less fuel used when you record that fill-up. Make a note in the comments for the tank. Example: "Last fill was E10. Pumped 10 gallons, logged 9.7 gallons". Use this adjustment for the fill that finishes the tank of E10 fuel, not when you put it in.
E85 Handicap: If you are using E85 instead of regular gasoline and EPA ratings are not available, you can estimate your E85 rating. Just lower the gasoline numbers by 25% (multiply by 0.75) and round to the nearest MPG. Enter this as your EPA rating.Which Division?
Divisions A, B and C were created to help divide people into three levels, in order to increase competitiveness.
If you were in the top 2 or 3 in your division, please consider moving up.
If you were near the bottom, consider moving down. Everything is more fun when the competition is close.
If you are new to hypermiling or to this challenge then I recommend either the B or C divisions to allow a good chance to get on your feet and familiarize yourself with hypermiling.Special class - Marathon: If you drive lots of miles (1500+ a month or so), you belong here. (in addition to Div A, B or C. Sign up for both.)

Here's the final results for FE Challenge 14. Congrats to our winners. Sign up for FE Challenge 15 here (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41147).

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/medium/FE14.png

I'm in again with a still-running tank that rolls over from last time.

Div B, 21/29 MPG, E10, will recycle log after screen shot of final tally is taken.

Well, I guess I'll try to finish this tank over the next 3 months... it's been in the car since April 5th and I'm at 10 of 20 bars. ;)

In Div C if it exists or B if not. And marathon...
E10

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3762.png

I would like to have the opportunity to come in second yet again: http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG(US)&viewcar=3763
Hybrid, E10, thanks.

I would also like to let those who may be contemplating entering the challenge know that you don't have to drive a Honda nor a hybrid to compete (although it won't hurt if you do).

Back to Div C for me. ;)

E10, no instrumentation, "dying engine".

I may wind up needing to drop out at some point, when I get the engine rebuilt. (No, I'm not kidding about the dying engine!)

I'll make a log entry for it shortly.

-soD

I'm in for Div C (with E10 handicap), unless you have one lower than that:o.

I'm in for Div C (with E10 handicap), unless you have one lower than that:o.

Hi Jon, we lately haven't even had a Div C because we haven't had enough people signed up, so they got rolled into Div B. Just consider it motivation to be great! ;)

Let's see how the registration goes. We might have a valid C this time.

Let's see how the registration goes. We might have a valid C this time.

No worries, wasn't knocking C out of the picture just yet. ;) I would love to see an A,B,C again, myself.

Instructions from the Challenge 13 thread:

How to Join
To participate in this Fuel Economy Challenge, all you have to do is the following:

* Create a new mileage log. This will be an alter-ego of your vehicle, except make sure you use the 2008 EPA ratings for your car found at www.fueleconomy.gov. Please use a new log and leave the previous challenge logs as-is until the results are finalized. Once finalized, the previous vehicles can be deleted.
* Post here in this thread to announce your participation. Be sure to include a link to your new mileage log.
* Drive
* Post in this thread with updates. No need to start with a fresh fill, just include the fills that fall within the challenge months. There is no minimum mileage or number of fill-ups, only a request for no single-tank entries. We want complete daily driving records, not cherry-picked entries.
* Entries will be accepted for one month, after which the participation list will be final.
* Report your final fill within 7 days past the end of the challenge.

The standings here on page 1 will be updated periodically (by CleanMPG staff members).


Handicaps
For a level playing field, we will all use the new revised EPA estimates for fuel economy. If you are using a handicap, please list it when you announce your participation.

* Hybrid Handicap: Reduce your EPA ratings by multiplying by 0.85. Hybrids are already optimized for good mileage by automatically doing many of the things hypermilers do.
* E10 Handicap: Reduce your EPA ratings by 3%, to match the reduced BTU of 10% ethanol.
* Part-time E10: If you only sometimes use E10, log 3% less fuel used when you record that fill-up. Make a note in the comments for the tank. Example: "Last fill was E10. Pumped 10 gallons, logged 9.7 gallons". Use this adjustment for the fill that finishes the tank of E10 fuel, not when you put it in.
* E85 Handicap: If you are using E85 instead of regular gasoline and EPA ratings are not available, you can estimate your E85 rating. Just lower the gasoline numbers by 25% (multiply by 0.75) and round to the nearest MPG . Enter this as your EPA rating.

Here's the log for Mango Bango's Challenge 14 results:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3768.png

-soD

I'm in. Div. B I think. I just pulled a 45.6 mpg (190% EPA), 660 mile tank. personal record :woot: I'll go with Div B, E10, NO SCANGAUGE BABY!!!!! unless I should be in A... I don't think i'll be pullin above 190% anytime soon.

Back into div A. always without any instrumentation
My recycled FE log : http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3373.png (http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG%28US%29&viewcar=3373)

Monday Mégane will have to pass a technical inspection, so this week-end I'll have to remove all the aeromods and I don't know when I'll be able to put them back on :( I'll have to drive a wall... I estimate that 20% of my saving are from the aeromods. Hope I'll be able to put them back on soon.

Anyway, I'll have fun :D

Denis.

Div. A and Marathon

I think i would like to give this a shot. Since this is my first time, i guess i would be in Div "C"? 22/29 with E10

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3773.png

Ok. Blackbelt, you are on the list. 2003Protege, sorry I missed you earlier.

I organized the list a bit, too.

sorry, I hid my mpg tracker in my sig.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3672.png

Thanks. "sorry I missed it earlier" :o Looks like you're off to a great start and currently winning!

Can I just throw this out there? I would like to make it a big suggestion to not recycle challenge logs until after a week has passed from the end of the challenge, so that a screen shot can be taken and actual standings can be preserved for those who look back to previous challenges.

Am I asking too much? :) Just me being OCD :p

I agree. That was the reason we went with "create a new entry" early in the history of these challenges. Maybe we Mods need to finish the old challenge with a "please wait until we record the results" post, followed with an "it's done, you can recycle them" post.

Sorry I also hid my challange log in my sig:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3765.png

Gotcha. :)

Can I just throw this out there? I would like to make it a big suggestion to not recycle challenge logs until after a week has passed from the end of the challenge, so that a screen shot can be taken and actual standings can be preserved for those who look back to previous challenges.

Am I asking too much? :) Just me being OCD :p

Good call indeed. I only recycled this one because my FE Q2 log was fubar :cool:.

First fill of the challenge - 30.43.
That is my best (city driving only) tank so far with the car.
I know this tank isn't going to win any awards, but I'm proud of it :).
I also know, that I can (and hopefully will) beat that.

First tank of my first challenge. I am not happy with it, but i know what the problem was. My son borrowed the car and dug me into a hole. I managed to dig myself part way out. Ended up at 29.3.
After filling, i immediately drove a 35.3 mile segment to work and the display read 40.1 Avg when i pulled into the parking lot at work. :woot: I am hoping to see at least 33 on this next tank as an average.

um, yeah. I filled up.

um, yeah. I filled up.

double you tee eff?




















very nice :D

Count me in. I've been HM'ing for approx 1 year, but since this is my first challenge, maybe the "B" Division. Handicap: E10, Hybrid.

I added a new mileage log, I just have to try to remember how to link it to my sig....................................GOT IT!

I assume that's me you have in the signup list as "hyberme". It should be "hyperme".

266%

O.O

*Stunned by awesome

I assume that's me you have in the signup list as "hyberme". It should be "hyperme".

:o typo. Thanks RLC for fixing it.

I am new and will join Div. C. Thanks! :)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG%28US%29&viewcar=3778

Update question regarding the handicap:
For a level playing field, we will all use the new revised EPA estimates for fuel economy. If you are using a handicap, please list it when you announce your participation.
Hybrid Handicap: Reduce your EPA ratings by multiplying by 0.85. Hybrids are already optimized for good mileage by automatically doing many of the things hypermilers do.
E10 Handicap: Reduce your EPA ratings by 3%, to match the reduced BTU of 10% ethanol.Should I modify the EPA numbers and edit the vehicle's EPA MPG fields or is the handicap done "offline"?

I am new and will join Div. C. Thanks! :)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG%28US%29&viewcar=3778

Update question regarding the handicap:
Should I modify the EPA numbers and edit the vehicle's EPA MPG fields or is the handicap done "offline"?

Lower your EPA ratings to reflect the handicaps.

I am new and will join Div. C. Thanks! :)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG%28US%29&viewcar=3778

Update question regarding the handicap:
Should I modify the EPA numbers and edit the vehicle's EPA MPG fields or is the handicap done "offline"?


You actually edit the MPG figures for city and highway in the fuel log you make for the challenge.

Thanks! I just updated from {48, 45} ( * 0.85 * 0.97 ) to {39.576, 37.1025}.

First tank just posted. And it's a good'un! I think I've set the bar here for Div C!

....Then again, last quarter I thought I was doing well in B until three people outdid me. (Good for them, but...)

-soD

Great work!

Is there a Div. D that I can downgrade to? :o

How do we get our tank info into the first post/standings? Do I just post here that I filled up..........................cause I did.

How do we get our tank info into the first post/standings? Do I just post here that I filled up..........................cause I did.

Got you covered, and holy shnikes, is that an awesome fill! You sure you don't belong in Div A? ;)

Got you covered, and holy shnikes, is that an awesome fill! You sure you don't belong in Div A? ;)

I don't know where I belong, the original post suggested first-timers should join Div B or C, so I chose B. Re the fill, yeah it was my best, the weather has been warm and dry, so that really helped. Unfortunately, we only have a few months of weather that's really conducive to good mileage.

I just did the first fill up too. :)

@hyperme, it's your first challenge, you picked the right division (as much as I may not like it :p) and all is well, unless some from Div A want you to play with them... :D

@PriusChat2009, great first tank as well! You've been added to the standings board as well, sorry for the delay.

Supposed to be in the 90s all week with very high dew points (70+). It's going to be very uncomfortable in the car............................but I'm not giving in to the a/c Gods. On the plus side, the car loves it hot! That is, of course, as long as it doesn't rain.

And I set a record for my best segment ever during a 37 mile drive early this morning, 78.7 mpg, 277% of adjusted EPA (I'm giving all the credit to the nice weather and the lack of traffic early on a Sunday morning). Although it's very early on, I've got a pretty decent tank going, hopefully the weather continues to cooperate. Good luck to everyone!

Wow! Great work from both of you! That's the best part of the challenge - seeing everyone getting such great results. Even if you don't "win", you're a winner at the pump. :D

First fill of the challenge: 880.0 miles, 13.334 gallons = 66mpg, 2nd place division 'B'. Not sure if I can compete against a guy who drives a luxury car but doesn't use air conditioning...totally confused by that:D.
Also, I am claiming the hybrid handicap, the leader board doesn't currently reflect this (when the system finds time, no biggie).

Not sure if I can compete against a guy who drives a luxury car but doesn't use air conditioning...

It does get warm without the a/c, but I'll gladly take one for the team! :flag:

First fill of the challenge...my second longest miles driven on a tank yet at 644.9 miles. 15.929 gallons to stuffed - ~40.5 MPG

Not a challenge-winning tank, but it's still a "winning" tank to me! :)

It will be my first FE challenge here so If it is still possible then I would like to join to Div C:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG%28US%29&viewcar=3785&maxnum=50

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3785.png

First fill of the challenge...my second longest miles driven on a tank yet at 644.9 miles. 15.929 gallons to stuffed - ~40.5 MPG

Not a challenge-winning tank, but it's still a "winning" tank to me! :)

Congrats on the great tank. You should update your sig to include your best tank in terms of miles. :woot:

Peter - you're on the list now. Welcome!

Brandon - that's a "most excellent" result. Well done.

umm...may I place an attempt here? I've included my first tank which didnt include any real attempt and many learning experiences as this was my first stick shift. E10 handicap in Div. B please.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3787.png (http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=MPG(US)&viewcar=3787)

Second fill of the challenge!
There's about 80 miles of steep hill highway driving (only got 36.x on the way up and 38.x on the way back) in that tank, not that it did much good. :p

Thanks Andrew - I'm not sure if it is important info but I have to admit that I've only vacuum gauge installed (so "no gauge" term does not apply in my case in chart on the first page of this thread) :)

A vacuum gauge is definitely a help, but nothing like a real OBD gauge with instant and average MPG.

umm...may I place an attempt here? I've included my first tank which didnt include any real attempt and many learning experiences as this was my first stick shift. E10 handicap in Div. B please.


I put you in C, but B might be better. What do you think? New car, so that's a handicap. Old and well-trained hypermiler, so that's a plus.

A tad bit confused Andrew. I requested division "B" (which is the same as your suggestion), so um, what's up with "C"?

Sorry. I had an old browser session open and didn't see your edit asking for B. I fixed it.

Sorry. I had an old browser session open and didn't see your edit asking for B. I fixed it.

Didn't even realized I had "C" before :o. Thanks!

I'm curious why my signature isn't showing up on the listings at the top of this thread (along with Right Lane Cruiser's).

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3772.png

laziness is all. I fixed it now.

Hello from sunny^Wrainy France :)

I filled-up before leaving home a few days ago : around 3,5L/100 = 67mpg :o (just filled my log). With a full tank I would have reached 1714km (1065mi) which is 116mi behind my spring record.
I will have to work a lot when back home... Mike's MPG in his aerocivic and Sean's POE may be doable. Andrew's POE is already too faaar.
At least Megane passed the technical control and she has brand new rear suspensions and bearings : she's much more stable in roundabouts :)

Bought on sales a G420 (http://www.alertegps.co.uk/gps_details.asp?doc=prod&prod=G420). I bought this GPS speed camera warning for its head up display, which permits me to have the speed of the car, as seen by the GPS chip, on the windshield
In Megane the speed difference is only 1km/h, but it's up to 5km/h in Sylvie's Scenic because the athermic windshield.
Decided to buy this GPS because it doesn't need complicated installation and then I can move it from a car to another. The specialized head up display need to be connected to the speed sensor so can't be easily installed and moved to another car (at least by me ;)). It was also 33% cheaper :) sadly the warning function can't be deactivated.

Have fun,

Denis.

One more question: how can I add (or should it be done automatically) FE logs of my vehicle to this group: http://www.cleanmpg.com/index.php?page=garage&displayunits=L/100Km&maxnum=50&mono=1&prop=quarter-year%20fe%20challenge ?

An admin has to do it (either RightLaneCruiser or xcel).

Or "The System." ;)

Or "The System." ;)

+1 here :D.

You rang? :D I'll get around to it sooner or later.

Forgive me, I'm confused.. The System :p I didn't know Andrew could add you to the Quarter FE Challenge category... I guess I can't though, correct? Ya'll can PM me if you would rather.

Andrew took over the fuel economy thread duties and I gave him mileage log vehicle editing capability to make that easier.

Ah, I see. Well then, I stand corrected. :)

You rang? :D I'll get around to it sooner or later.

Thank you for clarification. I thought that I made a mistake when creating new mileage log for FE Challenge for my car :)

Another tank proves that I'm still improving my driving style around a city area.
This time I get 41.16MPG (about 5.72L/100km, it's 17.48km/L) it's very good result since my home city - Warsaw is very difficult city for saving fuel what you can see on these images (data from TomTom):
Percentage number roads in the city where you can meet traffic jams every day:
http://img.interia.pl/motoryzacja/nimg/9/e/Warszawiacy_maja_5310167.jpg

List of europen cities where traffic jams are greatest:
http://img.interia.pl/motoryzacja/nimg/c/r/Warszawiacy_maja_korki1_5310161.jpg

Warsaw is #2 :(

filled up today,

591.9miles @ 39.51mpg. Not as good as i was expecting, but this tank was nothing near ideal.

Filled up on Thursday. Not quite as good as I was hoping, but still pretty darned good. Over 47 MPG.

-soD

I WAS doing really well on this current tank on my HS250h. Through 550 miles I was at 72.5 mpg actaul (76.2 on the dash MFD). Then something completely unexplainable happened to my car last week and my MPG dropped from approx 73mpg per day down to just under 60, that's about a 20% decrease, ouch! I have no idea what happened, but it's pretty frustrating. And it's very consistently happening every day that I'm getting approx 59mpg. Weather's been about the same, wind hasn't changed much, driving style is unchanged. My tank average has been dropping every day. In 3 days of this, it's dropped to 70.8mpg actual. I'm taking it to the dealer Tuesday. Anyone ever have this happen to them or heard of it happening to anyone else, or have any idea what it could be? :confused:

I WAS doing really well on this current tank on my HS250h. Through 550 miles I was at 72.5 mpg actaul (76.2 on the dash MFD). Then something completely unexplainable happened to my car last week and my MPG dropped from approx 73mpg per day down to just under 60, that's about a 20% decrease, ouch! I have no idea what happened, but it's pretty frustrating. And it's very consistently happening every day that I'm getting approx 59mpg. Weather's been about the same, wind hasn't changed much, driving style is unchanged. My tank average has been dropping every day. In 3 days of this, it's dropped to 70.8mpg actual. I'm taking it to the dealer Tuesday. Anyone ever have this happen to them or heard of it happening to anyone else, or have any idea what it could be? :confused:

Not to be a downer, but lets look at it from their perspective.

Guy complaining that he is only getting 60mpg from a car rated at 35mpg...


You can tell them mileage has been lower than usual, but I'm sure they will ask what you are getting.

I'll advise you to find another symptom, otherwise they'll start making assumptions about your mental health.

Not to be a downer, but lets look at it from their perspective.

Guy complaining that he is only getting 60mpg from a car rated at 35mpg...


You can tell them mileage has been lower than usual, but I'm sure they will ask what you are getting.

I'll advise you to find another symptom, otherwise they'll start making assumptions about your mental health.

You are, of course, correct. My EBH stopped working last week and that's all I told them when I dropped the car off. I can't believe that alone would drop my MPGs 20% though. My mileage has never been this bad even before I started using the EBH. I wonder if the ECU recalibrated for the EBH and is not happy now that the ICE isn't always warm.

Ebh...I really need to retrofit one of those...

Either way, yes that could reduce your mileage 20%. Warm up destroys FE...which makes me wonder...

Andrew, I'm inclined to think you have an EBH, and if not, you really should consider getting one :D.

I'm looking online as we speak...

He's got one -- hooked up with a battery tender as well.

We think alike because I have the same setup in my Elantra. :D

He's got one -- hooked up with a battery tender as well.

We think alike because I have the same setup in my Elantra. :D

Aha!! you non-hybrid-hybrid owners :D. What type are you using Sean? Link? :p

Actually, no. I don't have an EBH. Just the battery charger.

What I do have is an engine and car and city and county and state heater. :rolleyes:

Actually, no. I don't have an EBH. Just the battery charger.

What I do have is an engine and car and city and county and state heater. :rolleyes:

What?? What are you waiting for!?? I'm dying to see 100mpg averages from a civic! I'll install it if I have to, but I'm really itching to see what happens if you get one. Oh the anxiety!

Well, I have a pipe dream that one day all that heat can be harvested for something much more useful.

It's not worth any amount of money. Even the electricity would cost more than the mpg savings, not even counting the purchase price.

My home-for-lunch trips give an idea of what's possible. Going home is the same with no heater. 102-107 back to work recently, with 160+F water temps. It's probably bump my average up to 92-93 mpg. Nice, but the fuel savings is miniscule.

Ah -- I thought you had an EBH, Andrew. You're right though -- with the temps you've got it isn't worth the money.

Ricardo, I've got this one mounted to the firewall in my Elantra and attached to the battery cables with ring terminals:

http://www.pepboys.com/parts/batteries/chargers#id2

The power cable for it is routed to the front where both it and the EBH are plugged into a 3' extension cord with 3 receptacles on one side and a plug on the other hanging out of the lower grill. The EBH cord was too short to reach anyway so I had to keep popping the hood to plug it in -- I bought the extension cord before the battery tender and that happened to be the shortest configuration I could find. It worked out nicely to have a single plug for both uses already in the car. :D

I've also got this one and use it external to the vehicle when I want to give the Insight 12V a charge:

http://www.pepboys.com/parts/batteries/chargers#id6

Ah -- I thought you had an EBH, Andrew. You're right though -- with the temps you've got it isn't worth the money.

Ricardo, I've got this one mounted to the firewall in my Elantra and attached to the battery cables with ring terminals:

http://www.pepboys.com/parts/batteries/chargers#id2

The power cable for it is routed to the front where both it and the EBH are plugged into a 3' extension cord with 3 receptacles on one side and a plug on the other hanging out of the lower grill. The EBH cord was too short to reach anyway so I had to keep popping the hood to plug it in -- I bought the extension cord before the battery tender and that happened to be the shortest configuration I could find. It worked out nicely to have a single plug for both uses already in the car. :D

I've also got this one and use it external to the vehicle when I want to give the Insight 12V a charge:

http://www.pepboys.com/parts/batteries/chargers#id6

Oh ok, I meant to ask about the Ebh however.

when my current situation changes and allows me to park where I can charge my car, I'll get the charger so that night Fas is possible without worry. Till then I'll figure out how to get an ebh/charger setup. i have ideas, but details will take some working out. I almost forgot that i don't have ready access to a 110v outlet. That will change soon. :D

Ricardo, I just had the dealership install the standard freezer plug 400W EBH. I'm not sure why the power cable is too short to reach the grill but that's the way it was installed.

Actually, I believe the one on my wife's FFH is the same way -- you have to pop the hood to get to it.

Added another tank. It would have been higher, if the stoopid dealership had not idled my average down to 31.7 from 34.7 early in the tank.

laziness is all. I fixed it now.

Now that there is some competition, could you also do the signature fix in the Marathon division.

I fixed it for you.

Just checked and I've averaged 119.9mpg over the last 693.8mi (starting on May 24th). Too bad that wasn't the whole tank...

I'm down to one bar on the fuel gauge so I'll be filling up sometime next week.

I know I'm late, didn't know when the car was delivering. I'll start my first tank Monday or so. I'll create the vehicle entries soon.

2012 HCH3 Leather Nav. I'll be using E10 and Hybrid adjustments in Div B.

I'd say that's a legitimate excuse. You're in! I want to see what you can do with that "new toy".

here's my log: http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3796.png

here's my vehicle pic: https://picasaweb.google.com/kaceyg/20110730#

Filled up today and stuffed it :D:

730.8mi @ 17.560 gallons.

For those of you who have an ebh, do you use it year round? And how long do you normally leave it plugged in? Lastly, has anyone ever burned out their ebh?

I have one and do use it year around. About 3 hours is sufficient.

I've never heard of one burning out but the power cable can be damaged. Mine is actually a bit finicky -- I have to have the cable aligned just right to work. I have a spare cable so I may just replace it at some point.

I have one and do use it year around. About 3 hours is sufficient.

I've never heard of one burning out but the power cable can be damaged. Mine is actually a bit finicky -- I have to have the cable aligned just right to work. I have a spare cable so I may just replace it at some point.

I've had my ebh for about 1.5 months, I took it to the dealer cause it stopped working. They said it melted or burned up or something. I was just wondering, since it didn't come with a manual, if it was safe to use in the summer. I have it plugged in for about 2.5 hours at night then I plug it it when I get to work for approx 9 hours. I wonder if that's too much stress on it. I think I'll just plug it in for 3 hrs at work from now on.

The new car's fuel gauge and range estimator seem to be able to compensate for hypermiling, so tomorrow sometime I'll be filling up and starting my run.

This will be my initial fill so no official results until my second fill. The car was delivered with just under half a tank showing on the gauge.

I've had my ebh for about 1.5 months, I took it to the dealer cause it stopped working. They said it melted or burned up or something. I was just wondering, since it didn't come with a manual, if it was safe to use in the summer. I have it plugged in for about 2.5 hours at night then I plug it it when I get to work for approx 9 hours. I wonder if that's too much stress on it. I think I'll just plug it in for 3 hrs at work from now on.

Toyota's EBH is temperature regulated and I imagine Lexus' is the same. But like others said 3 hours is plenty, after that you are just wasting electricity.

It would be interesting to know which part of the EBH melted. Toyota's tends to self destruct right at the flexible strain relief on the wall plug. So try not to flex the cable too much when plugging and unplugging.

Regarding the mysterious dropping of the MPG, have you checked the health of the 12V battery? tire pressure? oil level? Do you use A/C? Please keep us updated when you find the cause. Thanks!

Just added the 2nd tank. I assume it takes some time for the system to update the graphic?

Trying to figure out how my four tanks of 77.5, 72.4, 76.8, and 76.5mpg averages out to the 73.6mpg listed on my AeroCivicLB FE-14 signature.

you did 2,000 miles on the second tank? :D

Kirby , if you are referring to Basjoos' 7/26/09 entry , it looks like 32.3 gallons were used to go the 2000 + miles. So...... probably three tanks. Still pretty impressive !

Light came on parking yesterday, as well as a full page warning on the iMid, ~7miles remaining on the display, I'll fill up on my way home from work tonight

It would be interesting to know which part of the EBH melted. Toyota's tends to self destruct right at the flexible strain relief on the wall plug. So try not to flex the cable too much when plugging and unplugging.

Regarding the mysterious dropping of the MPG, have you checked the health of the 12V battery? tire pressure? oil level? Do you use A/C? Please keep us updated when you find the cause. Thanks!

Just got it back from the dealer. Work order states "Found no continuity in the heater at plug. Plug end and heater body melted wire." The new EBH will be plugged in tonight for 2.5 hrs. I'll see if it's back to normal tomorrow morning during my commute. I'm not optimistic though since I struggled to get only 55mpg home from the dealer.

Not sure how to check the health of the 12v battery, but it only has 12,000 miles on it, can't imagine that's a problem. Tire pressure is still at approx 64psi. Just had oil changed 2000 miles ago. Never use a/c. :confused:

Basjoos, where are you seeing 73.6mpg? Your banner reports (correctly) 75.3mpg

There must have been a lag in updating the signature mpg. I had gone in and added the 3% change for the E10 tanks and then noticed that the signature mpg was low for those tank averages. But the current 75.3mpg is correct.

The 2141.3 tank was the total gas used on the trip to Hybridfest (as noted in the comments section).

Ah -- the mileage banner and graph are both updated on every tank upload but browsers often hold on to cached versions. Just clear the cache or force a complete reload of whatever page you are viewing next time and you'll see the updated pictures immediately.

...Not sure how to check the health of the 12v battery, but it only has 12,000 miles on it, can't imagine that's a problem. ...

Add some load to the battery such as turning on the headlight (without the charging circuitry running of course - IG ON, not READY) and measure the voltage with a digital multimeter or (much less accurately) look at how bright the headlight is.

The Prius 12V battery is notoriously weak. Your Lexus hybrid may suffer from the same poor choice of cost saving over robustness.

... Just had oil changed 2000 miles ago. ...

And the drop in MPG happened much later?

Another thing came to mind is parking brake drag. Lift the rear of the car and see if the rear wheels spin freely.

And the drop in MPG happened much later?

Another thing came to mind is parking brake drag. Lift the rear of the car and see if the rear wheels spin freely.

Okay, I lifted the rear of the car but as soon as I got the tires off the ground I realized I needed a second person to spin them. So I had to abandon that idea. :D

And yes, the drop in mileage came much later after the oil change.

Filled up, 67.997073 MPG, a new record! Still second, waiting on Kacey to bump me down a position.

This car is a freeway monster, I got about 40 miles on it today, including some stop and crawl and a bit of low speed. It seems to run colder than the II, my SG topped out at 186F on my HCH3 where my HCHII would read 193-197F and the ambient was 101 today too.

EV mode is strong, and the car does P&G on its own

I finally filled the Insight.

The FCD showed 111.1mpg over 1469.5mi when I pulled up at the pump but I actually burned less and ended up with 112.056mpg -- not enough to catch Andrew but good. :)

Another tank and result is almost the same like the last one: 5.716L/100km.

Definitely there should be additional category in this competition for only City driving :D
On Hwy driving I believe result: 4.5L/100km is possible for my car and only hwy driving will give me higher % of EPA but since my rides are only in city area I cannot prove that.

Or maybe how about another handicap? Where for city driving cars would be only City Estimated City Mileage eg. 29/29 not 29/36 like it is now?

Just a thought :)

Peter, I don't think you want to do that -- Andrew and I do almost exclusively city driving. ;)

I finally filled the Insight.

The FCD showed 111.1mpg over 1469.5mi when I pulled up at the pump but I actually burned less and ended up with 112.056mpg -- not enough to catch Andrew but good. :)

Ooooh! Very nice.

And another tank (33.089) to help solidify last place!!!

One more in yesterday! A pretty good one, over 47 again and the best (by a small margin) of this Challenge so far. Still not enough to overtake PriusChat, but still pretty decent.

I definitely need to move to "B" next time. I would suggest that PriusChat, hyperme, and Mr Pancake all move to "A", but that would be a little on the facetious side. ;)

-soD

I am still learning what the Kizashi likes and doesn't like. Without a scangauge its a little more difficult.
I have had some success, as this was an over 500 mile tank. The CVT and gearing does allow relaxed cruising, around 1500 RPM at 55. The dash o meters instant economy display maxes out at 60. and low RPM highway cruising does wonders for my tank average. I have been getting serious about my FAS, which is also helping. Not sure where the max is, but it sure is fun searching for it.

The CVT and gearing does allow relaxed cruising, around 1500 RPM at 55.

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

2100 rpm @ 55 mph

hey honda, where's my 6th gear?

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

2100 rpm @ 55 mph

hey honda, where's my 6th gear?

Quoted For Truth.

One more in yesterday! A pretty good one, over 47 again and the best (by a small margin) of this Challenge so far. Still not enough to overtake PriusChat, but still pretty decent.

I definitely need to move to "B" next time. I would suggest that PriusChat, hyperme, and Mr Pancake all move to "A", but that would be a little on the facetious side. ;)

-soD

I'll move to "A" as soon as I win one of these and/or if those in "A" move up to "A+":D.

Peter, I don't think you want to do that -- Andrew and I do almost exclusively city driving. ;)

Yeah, I'm all city driving too.

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

2100 rpm @ 55 mph

hey honda, where's my 6th gear?

Quoted For Truth.

try 2750rpm @ 55 mph!!!! HEY MAZDA, WHERE ARE MY 6TH & 7TH GEARS?!?!?!? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

try 2750rpm @ 55 mph!!!! HEY MAZDA, WHERE ARE MY 6TH & 7TH GEARS?!?!?!? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Hehehe, i remember my 83 VW GTi was 3,000rpm@55 mph. Still got mid 30's buzzing along like that. 5th gear was only .91, and i seem to remember the R&P ratio being somewhere in the 3.95 area.

try 2750rpm @ 55 mph!!!! HEY MAZDA, WHERE ARE MY 6TH & 7TH GEARS?!?!?!? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

That's exactly what my CRX spins at that speed. So I drive at 2500 RPM on the freeway...

-soD

That's exactly what my CRX spins at that speed. So I drive at 2500 RPM on the freeway...

-soD

The same here in my Felicia :( :mad:

That's exactly what my CRX spins at that speed. So I drive at 2500 RPM on the freeway...

-soD

You know you're a hypermiler when you quote your highway speed in rpm instead of mph.

try 2750rpm @ 55 mph!!!! HEY MAZDA, WHERE ARE MY 6TH & 7TH GEARS?!?!?!? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

In my Honda Fit it is moving along at 2850 @60. So I try not to keep it there (FAS anyone?) ;)

2500rpm @ 55mph on the eclipse. sucks..yes. 1500rpm @ 35mph.

Filled up yesterday. 16.36 gallons and 665 miles. maybe I should have competed in the marathon?

Yeah, you would have been a good marathon candidate. ;)

Gauge is showing 1/4 down, averaging ~53 according to the FCDs. I really need to learn to P&G prius style, I still can't make this beast coast. It is all regen, EV mode, or various forms of gas on.

Just saw I brought the logbook in today:

Gauge also shows 331.3 miles on the tank with ~374 miles of estimated range remaining. Computed MPG for the 331.3 mi is 54.4 mpg in mixed driving usually with the AirCon set to 2deg below ambient or 86deg whichever is lower, until ~80 deg where I turn it off unless it is raining.

She is starting to give more trips above 60mpg and will still throw me a 36mpg on occasion (a short trip where I fail to P&G like she likes and also don't keep SOC above a displayed half charge)

She's started giving me SAHM style performance on the highway more readily and occasionally on higher speed surface streets (45-50 mph PSL).

GS07 (my HCH3s name) still wants to climb decent hills in EV, but I know this kills SOC but I don't like burning the extra gas she uses at an accelerator pedal position that knocks out an EV hill-climb.

I have another 710 days to figure out the HCH3 before I have to turn her back in, let's see what kind of software changes they throw my way. I sure hope one of them is a dead spot in the pedal where she doesn't EV or Regen and the engine just freewheels with momentum.

Finally refilled. Another record tank. :Banane45: 1143.4 miles on 16.081 ga = 71.1mpg.

hyperme, I'm happy you are in div B :D
Congrats :thumbs_up:

Have fun,

Denis.

Wow! That's fantastic! :woot:

(definitely Div A next time ;))

I agree with Andrew! :D I think the rest of us in Div B agree too. ;) Good job.

Now that school's in session, my numbers will be down a bit. Let's call it "more fun" that way. ;)

Now that school's in session, my numbers will be down a bit. Let's call it "more fun" that way. ;)

And down a bit would be what, 261% over EPA? :D

I still can't believe the numbers you pull out of your Civic!

Thanks for the positive comments guys. Competition is always a great way to bring out everyone's "A" (or "B" :D) game.

while the HCHII was fine with just SAHM as a technique, the HCH3 and I are learning each other out for P&G. Especially with this vehicle's predisposition to EV mode and charge-sustaining like behaviors. I've taken to giving it more feed than I want if a hill is coming up, so she won't try (or most times there is no try it just does) to climb the hill in EV.

I'm hoping a software update comes along that adds a dead spot in the pedal where the car just freewheels with the valves closed tight without ev propulsion.

Trips in the 70s are becoming more common, 60s can happen if I take my time, and the 50s are typical. Just when I think things are making sense of things the car pops a high 30's trip or 44-48mpg trip.

If switching from an earlier version of IMA much of what you've learned will need to be thrown out, other than basic concepts of how the system works.

Oh yeah, down to half a tank 854 total miles on the car.

418.3 miles on the tank, @ 54.9 mpg and 283 miles remaining per the FCD

Kacey, is there any chance you could post some video of this new behavior you're seeing in the HCH III?

Another tank to even further cement my place at the bottom! :woot::D
9.781 gallons over 329.2 miles for 33.657 mpg!
http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3765.png

Jon, the lower you are, the faster you ascend ;)

In which conditions are you driving ?

Don't forget the first rule : have fun :cool:

Denis.

Jon, the lower you are, the faster you ascend ;)

In which conditions are you driving ?

Don't forget the first rule : have fun :cool:

Denis.

Conditions?
Constant stop and go, short trips and moderate to steep hills everywhere.
I'm definitely having fun, even more so when I see that my price per mile has dropped from $0.125 (pre Ultra-Gauge/Hypermiling) to $0.114 (post UG/Hypermiling) for a current average of $0.121.

Average miles per tank:
Pre- 272.1750
Post- 303.8500

Average elapsed (engine run) time per tank:
Pre- 10.05 hours
Post- 10.44 hours

Average GPH per tank:
Pre- 0.9776
Post- 0.9129

Average Tank MPG:
Pre- 28.7870
Post- 31.8554

Trying to beat the last tank, each tank is fun and it gets more challenging as time goes on.

Look out JonNC, sounds like you caught the bug. It's very addicting. You will find that your hypermiling skills will continue to improve, more so at first of course. And the challenge of hypermiling can be a lot of fun and very rewarding. Good luck!

I spoke with Sean on the phone about the videoing.

At lunch today I updated the vehicle's VSA (Vehicle Stability Assist, or ESC) computers, this gave me a .2mile run at 10.1mpg, yikes!

Tank is now at 55.0 mpg for 466.7 miles, showing 231 remaining

a kilo tank will require 75.758 mpg or more, better than the 83.333 the HCHII required to get a Kilotank

Filled up this morning : 1268.9mi @77.85mpgUS - ChallPOE = 251.13% (ie 60% miles are free).

See here (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=318344#post318344) for details.

My challenge mpgUS went from 67.2 to 72.7 and my POE from 216.9 to 234.64
With another record tank my absolute mpgUS can't beat Mike's in his aerocivic.

Have fun,

Denis.

Fantastic, Denis!! That's quite a distance for a non-hybrid. :D

Thanks :)

Great distance if I forget about this 2500km tank (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39888)...

They were saving only 30% vs mixed NEDC and got a 20.7gal tank.
I saved 55% with 16.30gal. :cool: they scored 3.08L/100 while I did 3.021 (76mpgUS vs 77.85) :p and I have no instrumentation :D

Denis.

Filled earlier today. (Both a tooth and the gas tank!) Got it back over 48 MPG, so it's "slow steady improvement" for me.

OK, the tooth part was actually a crown, not a filling. :(

-soD

Ok first measured fill, the inital fill felt weird not having any data to copy from SG and iMid.

GS07 isn't far from MH005* 's lifetime average (up 'till I stopped logging that vehicle in CleanMPG) Though the new one did that with almost all city miles and the old one was almost all highway usage.

Filled earlier today. (Both a tooth and the gas tank!) Got it back over 48 MPG, so it's "slow steady improvement" for me.

OK, the tooth part was actually a crown, not a filling. :(

-soD

lol, i bet that fill (crown) set you back more than a couple of tanks. I know my latest dental work set me back by about my car's trade-in value!

Especially since I've hit my max on the insurance this year. :(

And this will more than use the remainder of my Flexible Spending Account (pre-tax money for medical/dental stuff). :(

-soD

I'm just totally floored by the way PriusChat keeps ramping his game up! WTG, dude, and you should probably be in Div A next time!! :D

-soD

I filled up. :D

I couldn't get it to a record distance. I could probably match it if I ran it dry, but I can't do that with school delivery duty. Also, the low tank = low fuel pressure problem seems to be worse, so I don't want to stress the fuel pump any more than I have to.

1069 miles (best this year)
11.68 gallons
91.52 mpg!

I don't quite trust that it was a full fill. Scangauge said 90.0 mpg. The low fuel behavior was more like 1/2 gallon left and not 2 gallons left. (best distance was 13.8 gallons, this was 11.7) I'm puzzled. Still, best mpg ever by far, and my sixth kilo-tank. :D

Congrats for that 90+ :thumbs_up:

Denis.

Thanks.

I'm puzzled by the missing gallon. I topped it off three times. I ran it down to 1/2-2/3 gallon remaining. 11.7 gallons. I've done 13.8 before. 91.5*13.8 = 1262 miles, a lot more than 1069 I just did. My F, 1/2 and E tank marks look like it wasn't full, but I filled, looped the parking lot, filled again, looped again and filled again. I don't know what else I could do.

Your banner title should read "Uncatchable" Andrew. :D

It was the opposite for me... I filled-up 0.5l more than my previous biggest fill.
At all previous big fills the car had some "high rev at idle" moments. This time I got none of them. Sadly this 0.5l made my tank over 3.0L/100 :(

A gallon is 8 times half a liter...

Anyway with an additional gallon you are always the number one :thumbs_up:

As I missed the 3.0L/100 by only 0.7%, I decided to search how to get a real-time feed back from my car... I haven't found an injector signal yet. I found an injector sensor, but the voltage is constant (so the amp must variate...) not the kind of signal that may be useable.

At least I found the kind of connector that will permit me to tap a cable to get its signal without having to cut the cable, it only pinch it :)

Have fun,

Denis.

Ooh!! I'm looking forward to this new project, Denis! :woot:

Filled up this morning : 1268.9mi @77.85mpgUS - ChallPOE = 251.13% (ie 60% miles are free).

See here (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=318344#post318344) for details.

My challenge mpgUS went from 67.2 to 72.7 and my POE from 216.9 to 234.64
With another record tank my absolute mpgUS can't beat Mike's in his aerocivic.

Have fun,

Denis.

Congrats! Those are some huge numbers. When we're all HMing at our best, it's very difficult to increase the POE like you did, way to go!

I filled up. :D

1069 miles (best this year)
11.68 gallons
91.52 mpg!



OMG, are you kidding me? How long before you hit the magical 300% barrier? That is just awesome. You are officially my idol!

300% for a tank? It's not likely. This tank had the best driving conditions I've seen in 5 years of hypermiling.

I filled up. :D

91.52 mpg!


A.
maze.
ing.

I think if you hit 300%EPA we'll suddenly have world peace. ...or something magical will happen I'm sure.

Pure excellence, andrew.

300% for a tank? It's not likely. This tank had the best driving conditions I've seen in 5 years of hypermiling.

Don't count yourself out, you just did 291% (based on Challenge adjusted EPA).

I let sylvie sit today and at first i thought maybe i shouldn't have, but then the rains came and boy did they come down!! so far we've gotten over 2" since 5pm and still sprinkling

Not very good last tank - driving with damaged battery caused I had to forget about "start/stop" button during stop on every traffic lights and there was no FAS option to even try. As usual most driving about 95% in city area, with loaded car.
Today I filled up - 6.035L/100km (38.97MPG) :(
Finally I have new battery and seriously I think I need to install DRL's cause normal lights takes about 150W - it's too much for every battery during FAS glides (when you have to turn on lights during day)

And yet another tank.
8.991 gallons (different pump, my regular was out of order...) over 314.4 miles for a nice 34.968 MPG 75% city tank.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3765.png
Immediately after that fill up I had some highway only driving which was up to 42 mpg at it's highest, even will all the $&*% hills.
This next tank will hurt a little bit, as the aMPG will continue to fall as time and city miles wear on.

New battery and we are back on the track...
Latest tank and result 41.28MPG (5.69L/100km)
The best tank so far of course for only city driving.
Start/stop button in use, about 85% driving with loaded car... weather? Cold and little bit rainy.

I want to achieve 5L/100km for city area but I think it is impossible in this XIV Challenge :(

Still thinking about install DRL's, why?
My current car lights takes: about 12A per hour its almost 150W
Engine idling: I guess another ~10A

If I would like to introduce FAS during my glide sessions it will be pain in ass for my car battery in long time terms.
DRL's are pricey (I don't know about the US law but here in UE if you buy DRL's they have to have special approval so you can not install NoName lights) so I have to calculate it carefully one more time.

I'm just totally floored by the way PriusChat keeps ramping his game up! WTG, dude, and you should probably be in Div A next time!! :D

-soD

Well as you may have known the gen 2 Prius suffers from the "bladder problem" that makes fuel fillup not always consistent. It just so happened that the first tank filled unexpectedly more and the third tank unexpectedly less (as compared to ScanGauge estimates). I don't think the next tank will be anywhere close to the previous one. We will see...

That's OK, I just turned in the worst fill of my Challenge, by about 3/4 of an MPG. Only 45.5 this time. I'm hoping for some redemption on my next tank, which should be the last of the Challenge. And likely my last in the car...

-soD

still sitting 2 pips over half on the gauge, showing 396 miles of estimated range remaining. This tank may make it to Challenge XV

Filled up on Saturday.
10.012 gallons over 358.2 miles for a not to shabby 35.777 mpg.
Victory (ie last place) is mine!!!
http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/3765.png
I don't think this next tank will be as good, as I'm starting with a lower aMPG and it's starting to get a little chilly...

Filled up today, should be the last tank of this challenge, solid second place finish again. Record breaking MPG weather seems to be gone for this year. See everyone in the next challenge.

still sitting 2 pips over half on the gauge, showing 396 miles of estimated range remaining. This tank may make it to Challenge XV

Same here. I won't fill up again until October.

Filled up today, should be the last tank of this challenge, solid second place finish again. Record breaking MPG weather seems to be gone for this year. See everyone in the next challenge.

Agreed, the good hypermiling weather is behind us now. We've seen nights in the 40s and even a couple in the 30s already. And technically, it's still summer. :confused:

I'm trying to prepare myself for the drop in mileage and at the same time am eager to see what difference the EBH makes in my first winter with it.

Just filled the last tank for this challenge. :)

... and it's an excellent one! Way to go!

Sitting a bit into 2 pips when I parked yesterday, the Nav is showing 38 miles range, the fill light will come on today or tomorrow, I'll be making my last fill before the month ends

I'm patiently awaiting the announcement of FE-15. I think I want to give it a try in c class and marathon. Hey, someone has to take a solid overall last place.

Kirk

Just jumped to 3rd place in B! Personal record tank distance and fill, 709.6 miles (first 700+) with 14.589 gal yielding a PR 48.6 mpg!

I'm patiently awaiting the announcement of FE-15. I think I want to give it a try in c class and marathon. Hey, someone has to take a solid overall last place.

Kirk
Hey! :mad: Back off buddy, that's my turf! :p

Hey! :mad: Back off buddy, that's my turf! :p

I'm anticipating that I will take a huge hit as Michigan's winter weather comes rolling in. so you better watch your back.

Fighting for last... golden! :p

Funny thing is, you all will be doing better than most other drivers out there in comparable vehicles. Last here is still excellent! ;) Last week folks! A reminder, please do not edit your logs for a week after the challenge is over! I will take a screen shot of the official results and post them to be in eternal CleanMPG history! :D

Just jumped to 3rd place in B! Personal record tank distance and fill, 709.6 miles (first 700+) with 14.589 gal yielding a PR 48.6 mpg!

Excellent fill 2003protege, way to bring it home in the back stretch!! :)

Last tank of the challenge! (At least I think/hope so.)
9.116 gallons over 329.0 miles for a respectable 36.09 mpg.
Last place is mine! ( It’s
mine! You understand! Mine! All mine!
Get in there, down! Down! Down! Go!
GO! Go! Mine! Mine! Mwahahahaha! )

I just posted my last tank of the challenge, as i am heaading out on vacation this week.
This has been my first challenge, and it has really helped by challenging me to hone my skills. I wasn't sure the Kizashi could put up these kinds of numbers, and i am really pleased with it. N wonder what my place is in the standings, i still feel like i won.:):)

finally logged my last tank for this one this morning the fill was on the 25th

I had my oil changed (at the dealership, I was in the neighborhood and had time to kill) yesterday @ 6,000 miles and went with full synthetic.
The service advisor's reaction to my request that after the tire rotation, I wanted the pressures set to 48 front/43 rear was comical.
It'll wear the centers, it'll change the handling/steering etc. blah, blah, blah.
I informed him that, not it wont, they are already set that way so it changes nothing for me, etc.
On the invoice it even says to set the pressures that way at customer request, "against service advisor's advise".:D
The bad part is that my aMPG via Ultra-Gauge was @ 38.2 when I tendered the car over to them.
When they were finished the A/C was on and the aMPG was 33.5.
For the sake of broads and yutes, I'll refrain from repeating my reaction to this, even after telling them that the car has been running (mostly highway) for a little over an hour so no warm up should be needed................

Buuuut, let's hope the switch to synthetic will offset some of the loses when the weather changes.

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The bad part is that my aMPG via Ultra-Gauge was @ 38.2 when I tendered the car over to them.
When they were finished the A/C was on and the aMPG was 33.5.....

I had the timing chain cover resealed at the dealer during the challenge and they burned 0.6 gallon of gas (1.6 MPG over 1.0 miles). :rolleyes:

Next time, I'm going to record the elapsed time from the trip computer when I pull in (and show it to the "service advisor") and compare with the E/T when they're done.
I may just unplug the Ultra-Gauge whenever I get the car serviced from now on.

Final fill of the challenge, and in fact the final fill that I will put into the car. Not a good finish, just under 42 MPG. I'm not sure why, either, but I think that my previous two fills were at a station whose pumps do not fill the tank in this car as far as the one I finished in.

Saturday, Mango Bang will go home with a new owner. If you see him heading down to AZ, wave hi to him! He will probably get much worse MPG with his new owner, though I don't think he will have any less fun! ;)

-soD

(Sorry for my last weeks silence... really busy and I use all free time to have a rest)

Registered my last tank last week-end : 1203.2 @76.248mpgUS = ChEPA + 145%.

I confirmed my 3rd place in div.A.
Thanks to hyperme to be in div.B ;)

I'm far from my 83.3mpgUS & 1320mi dream for 2011... :(
Also my 2011 best 1268.9mi @77.847mpgUS isn't so much better than my 2010 best (1182.2mi @74.918mpgUS) :(
And my absolute mpgUS is under Mike's (Basjoos) while I have a diesel and my average speed is slower :(

Anyway I don't know anybody, physically, with a better consumption than mine :)

Denis.

Dave, I'm really looking forward to seeing how you do in your new car -- post plenty of pictures!

Denis, we are definitely glad to have you back! There are always setbacks but the main thing is to keep trying. Did you see my post to you here (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=319285) about the FAS button arrangement?

Thanks, Sean. I'll get about 2 weeks of driving one of the Wife's cars (or maybe fixing up my Teener!), and then I'll have the break-in for the new car. I anticipate it will be at least winter quarter before I'm ready to really start trying for good tanks.

-soD

link for 15?

link for 15?

This.

waiting with baited breath.

Anyone have any tanks that have yet to be posted that were completed prior to Saturday? If not, I have the screen shot and can post it. Once that as been done, you can then clear any logs you wish to recycle.

I am assuming that with no replies, everyone is just now waiting for FEC15.

Andrew, call the results final and post screenshot?

Fine with me. Thanks for the offer to do this, Brandon.

Alright everyone, the results are final, and a big congrats to our winners !

Division A - PaleMelanesian
Division B - hyperme
Division C - PriusChat2009
Marathon - basjoos


Anyone who wishes to recycle their challenge logs may clear them now.

Sign up now for Fuel Economy Challenge 15 (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41147)!

Now that the results are in, I would like to suggest that PriusChat strongly consider moving all the way up to Div A for the next Challenge! That's a real kick-*ss performance, and Div A will give you the chance to really stretch those tanks.

I would also strongly suggest that hyperme move to Div A as well, and possibly Mr. Pancake.

I would move to Div B, but I think I'm going to drop out for a quarter while I try to get used to my new car... Once I finally pick it up.

-soD

I expected you would sit the next one out. New car, break-in period, not the full quarter, etc.

I agree on PriusChat and hyperme, on the fence about Pancake.

recycling soon, had a short fill because I reset the trip meter at home after reading it, and with a month per tank I may lose the note before the next fill showing where to add the two trip meter reading together.

a month per tank I may lose the note before the next fill showing where to add the two trip meter reading together.

Isn't that a nice problem to have? :D

yes :D, but it brings out a bit of a personality tick to know the meter is wrong and it's my fault, so short fill every time this happens, which is once or twice a year

Looks like you and I are neck and neck with our current tanks, Andrew. ;)

I've not done an FE challenge - Only been on here since July!
I'm not sure what mpg ratings to use for my car (never been on sale in US), I've got estimated figures of 87% of EU numbers (ItsNotAboutTheMoney advised me of that one). Not sure if the diesel engine makes a difference.
Any ideas? Thanks.

Well done the the FE14 winners by the way!

Can you check with groar? He's in France so he faces the same conversion you do. We discussed this back when he started but I don't remember the details.

Thanks Andrew - I'll do that!