View Full Version : Week of June 27th - July 3rd, 2011 (Nat Avg $3.58)
Right Lane Cruiser 06-27-2011, 06:30 AM Here we are in the last week of June and the price of a gallon of regular gas has dropped another 8 cents!
I'm off to a good start this morning in the Elantra.
66F, 1mph headwind from the SE, sunny:
70.3mpg for 14.7mi (Home to work -- PR by 3.1mpg! :D)
The tank is now up to 52.1mpg over 508.3mi with 6.3g left and the guess gauge indicates one needle width over 1/4.
I hope everyone has a fantastic week in store!
FSUspectra 06-27-2011, 07:38 AM Filled up for $3.349 this morning! :D
Right Lane Cruiser 06-27-2011, 08:04 AM Wow... that's not much gas!! How far did you go on that tank? 38 miles?
;)
PaleMelanesian 06-27-2011, 08:14 AM 89.9 / 10.8 mi this morning, 80F and sunny, slight headwind.
That brings the tank up to 83.4 / 682 miles and solidly below 1/2.
FSUspectra 06-27-2011, 08:21 AM Nice Sean... :p
39, thank you very much! :D
FSUspectra 06-27-2011, 11:47 AM 88 degrees, calm winds, went to the shoe store only to find they didn't have my shoes in stock (Getting a pair of Vibram Fivefingers, should have called first I guess... :rolleyes:), but got some decent numbers to make up for it! :p
54.1 MPG / 6.7 mi home to Shoe Box
52.1 MPG / 4.4 mi Shoe Box to FSU
PaleMelanesian 06-27-2011, 11:51 AM Those are indeed some good numbers. Above 50 with short hops and (I'm guessing) non-ideal routes.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-27-2011, 12:05 PM Way to go, Brandon! Keep up the solid performance. :D:thumbs_up:
Die2self 06-27-2011, 12:31 PM some trips on Friday night to the Mall for Cloths and Sat to Lowes (paint, to finish the siding repairs), target and then to a Movie. Sunday was to church, lunch, target (again) then home. All this had a toll from the 49.0 on Friday when i got home. It was down to 48.6 by the time I got home on Sunday afternoon.
Today when I got to work it was at 366.7 with the FCD at 48.7. Guage is just at or under 1/4 tank.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-27-2011, 12:56 PM Looks like you are getting that Fit to stretch its legs, Jason! :woot:
all_about_the_glide 06-27-2011, 02:39 PM Update
Whilst having my productivity device (droid) reposes all of the time it’s “saved” me (didn’t realize how much early Windows OS angst I had repressed), I finished a PR 61mpg tank and am working my you know what off to get the current tank back to 60mpg. My sweet wife logged a 52 mile - 44mpg segment in heavy rain, at least it was 18-20 mpg better than she would of logged in the other car…amazing how long it takes to recover from a hit like that.
Early this AM same weather conditions as Sean, timed the lights perfectly, and compliant traffic led to a home to work PR: 69.1 mpg after correcting for bias.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/medium/2011-06-27_06-10-35_448.jpg
FSUspectra 06-27-2011, 03:11 PM Awesome work, AATG!
I on the other hand, not so fortunate coming home... A/C was on for a couple tenths of a mile when when I started the car and left campus before I realized it (yes, it was 100, but no A/C for just me ;)), then I hit a red light at the end of a pulse that I should have known would turn red, but rarely ever does. :(
37.4 MPG / 2.8 miles FSU to home
Right Lane Cruiser 06-27-2011, 03:44 PM Hey hey!!! Way to knock out a goal, AATG!! :D Now we need to get you logging tanks here on the site. ;)
I had quite a bit of wind to contend with on the way home today and the traffic was none too nice either at inopportune times... BUT. Check it out:
74F, 19-28mph head/crosswind from the NW, sunny:
61.5mpg for 15.0mi (Work to home -- PR by 1.3mpg! :D)
The tank is now up 52.3mpg over 523.2mi with 6g left and the guess gauge indicates one needle width under 1/4.
Day Total: 65.5mpg over 29.7mi (PR by a solid 2.5mpg! :flag:)
I still need a few percent over EPA to catch Andrew, though. :o
diamondlarry 06-27-2011, 04:16 PM The day started off great with a new PR to work.:woot: I beat the old record by 2.2 mpg. The temperature this morning was 67F and the wind was SW@ 5 mph. This afternoon kind of went downhill. I went to check on the location of a job my temp service was thinking of sending me to. The first half was mostly rush hour city traffic on unfamiliar streets and the second half was a stiff headwind. The temp this afternoon was 80F and wind was SW@ 10-15 mph with gusts to 25 mph. The job turned out to be the one I tried for a couple months ago so it was a sort of wasted trip. Oh well.
108.1 9.2(to work)
80.3 27.5(back home via possible job site)
Day Total: 85.8mpg over 36.7 miles
all_about_the_glide 06-27-2011, 07:07 PM @Sean Have meant to do that; too much inertia...thanks for the nudge.
all_about_the_glide 06-27-2011, 07:16 PM @Brandon- 5fingers, read "Born to Run"? Finished it a few weeks ago, inspired me to push my last three sunday runs to 10 or better, if I'm not careful I'll get back in shape. Let me know how the running slippers treat you.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-28-2011, 06:36 AM Nice weather this morning!!
56F, 5mph crosswind from the WNW, sunny:
128.5mpg for 15.0mi (Home to work -- I just need a little less traffic to top 130)
The tank is now up to 106.6mpg over 954.6mi with 10 of 20 bars remaining on the fuel gauge.
all_about_the_glide 06-28-2011, 08:55 AM Less than perfect trip this morning after the PR (65 vs. 69) , but foud a short downhill to accelerate from mid-50's to low-60's on the interstate early in my trip. Hit it yesterday and never dipped below 50mpg, carried too much speed to the spot this AM and ended up at 48mpg when I settled in at 62mph.
FSUspectra 06-28-2011, 08:57 AM @AATG, I have not, but it sounds like an interesting read. I'll definitely post about them in the off-topic area.
PaleMelanesian 06-28-2011, 09:18 AM 87.0 mpg home last night
90.4 to work this morning
The tank is up to 83.5 / 703 miles and getting down to 1/4 tank.
FSUspectra 06-28-2011, 10:43 AM Warm and sticky this morning.
37.8 MPG / 2.7 mi home to FSU - meh.
Die2self 06-28-2011, 12:57 PM worked the tank to 48.8 on the way home last night with stiff head winds and nasty hot.
Getting to work this morning the numbers are:
48.9 over 393.3 miles with about 1/4 of a tank left. Still working on P&G (or P&Hang w NICE-on). Still contemplating a FAS switch that i have seen by another Fit owner. Simple and easy to reverse if need be.
SG is pretty dialed in with the numbers from another Fit owner. Just the lousy 0.02 GPH issue when the engine is off. I have emailed scangauge support to see if anything can be done.
If not I may have to see if the UG has the same issue or not.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-28-2011, 04:34 PM AATG, every drive is a learning experience isn't it? :)
Stellar work, Andrew. :D:thumbs_up:
Brandon, that is one famously short commute! :p
Jason, just wait until you try P&G with FAS. :Banane54: ;)
I finally had some nice conditions to commute home in -- and it shows!
74F, 3mph headwind from the NW, sunny:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/74F_with_a_3mph_NW_headwind_commute_home.jpg
That's a PR by 4.9mpg. :woot:
The tank is now up to 106.9mpg over 970.1mi with 10 of 20 bars remaining on the fuel gauge.
Day Total:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/126_9mpg_RT_work_commute.jpg
Another PR by 5.5mpg! :D
FSUspectra 06-28-2011, 07:31 PM Yeah, it is short... right now both of my bikes are in disrepair; road bike has two flats with recently replaced tubes (read 4 flats in 2 weeks) and mountain bike has broken rear wheel (bearing or hub). I could walk/run it, but timing with morning and/or popup thunderstorms is tricky. And I have to sometimes shuttle the tike to a sitter. :p But I still do the best I can. It started raining slightly on my way home, so I really sweated it out (all windows closed), but it was worth the effort with a higher trip home.
44.2 MPG / 2.9 mi FSU to home
32.5 miles on tank, don't have average MPG because I forgot to reset it when I filled up (UG does not do this automatically on fill up, you must reset trips each time and avg MPG each tank manually.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-29-2011, 06:26 AM I'm way off my game this morning. :p
60F, 3mph headwind from the SSE, partly cloudy:
64.1mpg for 14.6mi (Home to work)
The tank is now up to 52.6mpg over 538.6mi with 5.8g left and the fuel gauge indicates one needle width under 1/4.
I've got lunch with friends today so we'll see what I can do with some highway travel thrown into the mix...
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 08:36 AM mpg / mi
72.1 / 4.9 - from work to store
61.2 / 0.3 - to another store
66.6 / 5.8 - to a friend's house. The worst traffic I've seen in this town. 10 minutes to get through one traffic light!
Helped friend pack up the apartment and move everything into a POD for transport.
80.5 / 12.0 - home. Gusty headwind as a storm blew in and I just beat the rain.
That knocked my tank down from 83.5 to 83.2 and 727 miles. But I helped a friend.
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 08:39 AM This deserves a separate post. I was determined to undo some of last night's damage. After the (light :() rain last night it was humid. Humid = good mileage. :) Haven't had humid recently here in Texas.
78F, humid, little-to-no wind
99.1 mpg / 10.8 miles. This close to a new morning commute record. :D
The tank is back up to 83.4 mpg.
FSUspectra 06-29-2011, 09:40 AM 99.1 mpg / 10.8 miles. This close to a new morning commute record. :D
:eek:
and what I'd give for 78F right now! :p
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 09:43 AM That's 78F for our morning low. We hit 100F yesterday.
FSUspectra 06-29-2011, 09:49 AM Ah, yes. Coffee still working in. :p
We've been popping near there, but afternoon storms have been cooling it down by the time we reach 93-95 lately. Nothing like the morning and afternoon sauna drives! ;)
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 09:55 AM That part I don't envy you. :( Florida's armpit probably doesn't smell very good.
ksstathead 06-29-2011, 10:21 AM Bike commuting going well. 1.3 miles to work and 1.6 miles home.
3 days last week and already 3 days this week.
If I hit traffic and lights right, it is about 6 minutes to work and 8 minutes home, without REALLY pushing myself.
Cannot find my AC charger for NiCad halogen headlight, so plan to buy a new LED headlight before the days get short or the work hours long. Taillight is fine, though.
FSUspectra 06-29-2011, 11:24 AM Nah, you shouldn't, it's hot as mess here.
86F, 61% humidity, slight cross/tail wind
39.3 MPG / 3.1 mi home to FSU, with quick stop at neighbor's home on the way
alvaro84 06-29-2011, 12:11 PM I'm getting close to the end of another tank soon. The beginning was good, my FE looked much better from fill-to-fill than light-to-light, just 42km before (therefore the tank was far from empty so it'll be a pretty short tank of only 12.05l of gas). Most of the trips were 2-up again, with some 1-up commuting, a few windy and now a rainy day. We'll see how it ends.
Observation: traction in rain is great with these tires. Still, I can't forget that they seem to worsen FE by a few mpg. And that the rear already looks a bit worn, it won't last 28000km by far, like my Z6 set did (now this set has ~5100km on it). In ideal case at least the front can last for 2 rears, so they don't get totally out of sync when I replace the whole set to something else - but I'm not sure it'll happen. I hate to throw away things that aren't totally worn off, but I'll may have to :(
Anyway, I've already set my eyes upon the Michelin Pilot Road 3. Those should be at least as durable as my Z6s were, as I deduced from the tests with stronger and heavier bikes - and they're praised for their traction too.
Die2self 06-29-2011, 12:16 PM This morning the numbers when i pulled into work:
49.0 with 419.0 miles (tank is at or just below 1/8, but no low fuel light yet.)
Yesterday was the cool day before we started our "Exesive heat warning" for the rest of the week into Monday. Highs will be in the upper 90's (topping in the 100's) with the heat index (insert soupy for Humidity) ranging from 105-110, and no rain in sight. = Missouri or is that Misery:(
Last month we only had 0.95 Inches and are usually suppose to get almost 5 inches. I guess that has helped with cleanup here with not having the rain, but it is getting DRY.
I think we need to dig a big culvert all the way to ND and divert some of their water to NM or AZ. Who's with me :D!
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 01:07 PM I'm with you for the culvert! Local hay fields are producing 1/4 of the usual amount.
June: 0.78 inches instead of the usual 4.6
2011: 15 instead of 25 inches, and we started the year way behind.
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 01:10 PM Home for lunch. 95 degrees and humid, minimal wind.
91.0 / 10.5 going home
108 / 10.8 back to work. That beats my previous 105 record, which also was a back-from-lunch trip.
The tank is up to 83.8 / 759 miles and 1/4 tank remaining.
* the extra distance is from a left turn into the parking lot. Traffic flow sends me to the next entrance and I backtrack to where I'm going. Leaving work is a simple right turn.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-29-2011, 01:44 PM Outstanding, Andrew! :woot:
Speaking of outstanding, I have to thank you for pointing me to the MAP gauge -- the LOD gauge has never made sense in my car and I've always had to pulse by feel. No longer! Get a load of the second segment below:
76F, 11mph headwind from the SSE, sunny:
48.9mpg for 9.0mi (Work to restaurant for lunch with friends -- not bad for the traffic and headwind on the highway)
I decided to head home after lunch to work from there and hopefully get an early start on mowing when I finish up. So... I hopped on the highway again and saw something I've never seen before at the speeds I was traveling. EVER.
I've had tailwinds on this route before and it does help, but not THIS much! I used a P&G delta of 15mph between 50 and 65mph. By the time I got off the highway some 4mi or so from the house I had the average trip up to 63.7mpg!!! Not only that, it was still rising!! :eek:
Normally I average 52mpg at around that speed. I've seen as high as 57mpg in perfect conditions with a tailwind. I have only ever seen 60+mpg in slow and go with average speeds well below normal highway travel -- not at the 57.5mph average I was maintaining!
81F, 15-22mph tailwind from the SSE, sunny:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/Elantra_best_highway_trip_ever.jpg
over 19.7mi
The tank is now up to 52.9mpg over 567.2mi with 5.3g left and the guess gauge indicates 1/8 remaining.
Day Total: 60.8mpg over 43.4mi
:driveby1:
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 01:59 PM That is fantastic mileage for those speeds! :D It's close enough to my car's highway ability that I'd have to look it up to be sure. :eek:
I'm curious. What did that change about your pulses? Were you pushing it harder or less than before?
Right Lane Cruiser 06-29-2011, 02:13 PM Thanks, Andrew! I'm sure the only thing holding you back from higher numbers is the gearing -- I'm right at 2K driving 50mph in the Elantra.
I was pulsing too hard. :o
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 02:21 PM That's not far off. I'm at 2100 at 50.
lxmike 06-29-2011, 03:27 PM I'm still hypermiling and now it's with a fully charged battery pack also!!:woot: We got it put back in thursday and was so sweet hearing it start from the ima battery finaly! The soc is at a steady 19 bars. I'm having to get used to working the calpod switch once again that and the weather here have dropped my tank average some but i'm still over 85 mpg right now. not sure of the miles though :p
diamondlarry 06-29-2011, 03:57 PM Outstanding, Andrew! :woot:
Speaking of outstanding, I have to thank you for pointing me to the MAP gauge -- the LOD gauge has never made sense in my car and I've always had to pulse by feel. No longer! Get a load of the second segment below:
76F, 11mph headwind from the SSE, sunny:
48.9mpg for 9.0mi (Work to restaurant for lunch with friends -- not bad for the traffic and headwind on the highway)
I decided to head home after lunch to work from there and hopefully get an early start on mowing when I finish up. So... I hopped on the highway again and saw something I've never seen before at the speeds I was traveling. EVER.
I've had tailwinds on this route before and it does help, but not THIS much! I used a P&G delta of 15mph between 50 and 65mph. By the time I got off the highway some 4mi or so from the house I had the average trip up to 63.7mpg!!! Not only that, it was still rising!! :eek:
Normally I average 52mpg at around that speed. I've seen as high as 57mpg in perfect conditions with a tailwind. I have only ever seen 60+mpg in slow and go with average speeds well below normal highway travel -- not at the 57.5mph average I was maintaining!
81F, 15-22mph tailwind from the SSE, sunny:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/Elantra_best_highway_trip_ever.jpg
over 19.7mi
The tank is now up to 52.9mpg over 567.2mi with 5.3g left and the guess gauge indicates 1/8 remaining.
Day Total: 60.8mpg over 43.4mi
:driveby1:
Just to clarify, the P&G routine was engine off, right? That's some very impressive numbers for that speed. I'd be curious to know the MAP numbers you were using for pulsing and, could something like that translate to the Insight? Also, my old Saturn SL1 would be at 1900 rpm at 55 mph. From what I've heard, the gear ratios from a '99-'02 SL1 are even better and lower the rpm's to lower than that. My son has considered doing this to his car; it's only about a 3 hour job and can be done without taking the transmission out of the car.
Today was a bit better than yesterday but I still have a lot of improving to do. I started out with 57F and the wind was W@ 5 mph or less. The trip home was at 79F and wind was WNW@ 5-10 mph with gusts to 15+ mph.
106.2 9.1(to work)
84.8 9.2(back home)
Day Total: 94.2mpg over 18.3 miles
I think I've figured out the reason for such a difference between going to work and coming home: Not only is there a net elevation gain going home but, there are two hills that are going the wrong way right after stop signs on the way home. Actually, one is a stop and the other is a left turn at a blind curve so I can't build too much speed because i never know if there is any traffic until right at the last moment. The hill I just described also has a stop at the bottom of it on the way to work so I can FAS for quite a ways before the stop. The other hill is basically the same way except that it is an actual stop sign with a very short (25-50 yards max) stretch before the turn.
PaleMelanesian 06-29-2011, 04:06 PM Sean was so excited he called me at work to tell me! He quoted 12.3 MAP. That translates to 75-80 LOD by my gauge and car. They're directly proportional so either gauge will do, unless you have a strange LOD reading like the Hyundais apparently do.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-29-2011, 05:06 PM Andrew, sorry about bugging you at work -- but I was (am) very excited indeed! :o
I didn't realize our gearing was so close to the same -- I guess I got into my head that your '96 was geared like the Fit is...
Mike, congrats on getting a functioning battery in the car again! Now you'll be able to benefit from Autostop, heavier "engine braking" when the regen kicks in, and less fuel used when starting the car (because IMA is way the heck faster than the conventional starter). Keep up the good work!
Larry, Andrew is right. I'm targeting right around 12.3 on the MAP gauge. My LOD gauge shows something in the low 30's for this. :confused:
Most of the glides were engine off but some of the terrain required short enough glide distances that I didn't want to deal with the inevitable reboot freeze and simply used NICE-ON (perhaps 7% of the time).
I pulled up the LOD gauge on the Insight to see how it responds and I'm getting some improvements in first and second gears accelerating a little harder to get to 75 (LOD) or so, but I was already pretty much there in 3rd accelerating at my rule of thumb 50mpg instantaneous mark. For 4th and 5th (and even 3rd if I'm not trying to get up to speed quickly) I'm much better off letting it get to lean burn and accelerating at 75+mpg instantaneous (4th) or 90-100mpg+ (5th). The load when doing that drops way down to upper 40's but I don't seem able to improve the mileage by pulsing to speed faster. So basically, don't use it unless trying to get up to speed "quickly" (no such thing in a non-assist launched Insight ;)) or low speed P&G.
I haven't pulled up the MAP gauge to see if it matches LOD better in the Insight but I haven't heard of any Hondas displaying oddities like my Elantra.
Hills stink, eh?
By the way, Andrew... I'm also seeing some improvement from tackling any hills at MAP 12.3 and using any excess speed as a low glide distance P&G (as I've seen you advocate in the past) over my standard DWL approach. :thumbs_up:
(In case anyone is wondering, I did get the lawn mowed and now I can go see my daughter at gymnastics. :))
Right Lane Cruiser 06-30-2011, 06:45 AM Guys, my Insight sure likes warmer temps!! I finally topped my goal this morning, in spite of a headwind. ;)
72F, 8mph headwind from the SE, sunny:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/72F_with_an_8mph_SE_headwind.jpg
PR by 2.1mpg! :woot:
The tank is now up to 107.1mpg over 985.1mi with 9 of 20 bars remaining on the fuel gauge.
Today is supposed to be a scorcher by MN standards getting up to 94F. It is already 81% humidity and forecasted to remain there so the heat index could get as high as 110F. There's a Heat Advisory in effect until 8PM tomorrow.
No, I'm still not going to use the AC. ;)
PaleMelanesian 06-30-2011, 08:00 AM I got an "ok" 81.8 home last night.
This morning was 80F and humid (85%) with minimal wind. ;)
100 mpg / 10.8 miles. That matches my all-time morning record. :woot:
The tank is up to 83.9 / 780 miles and 1/4 tank left.
Die2self 06-30-2011, 08:38 AM Filled last night for the second tank :D
After dropping off some things from the church on the way home and then driving to work this morning.
81F with 72% humity (HI 85F) at 8 AM
49.3 MPG over 20.9 miles
The tank numbers were:
FCD = 49.0
Acutal = 45.4 (7% difference ????)
439.6 miles
9.690 gals
Still a solid 151%
Had to change the SG down to 0% for the gas fill, it still had the Fill adjustment set in the 20's. I didn't think about changing this before. Time to start dialing in the SG. LOD is working pretty go on this vechile, in the Dodge the LOD values were way off, so I just used TPS for it.
PaleMelanesian 06-30-2011, 08:56 AM I recommend 75 LOD for pulsing. With my P&G heavy driving I have a +12% fuel adjustment (-12% mpg). P&G usually requires a bigger offset than steady driving.
FSUspectra 06-30-2011, 11:22 AM My my, have I missed quite a bit... Andrew, 2 100+ MPG trips... simply awesome! :)
Sean, good work on getting the lawn done ;) mine is due as well, with the rain we have been (thankfully) getting, and congrats on your trip as well. Unfortunately, my Kia does not display the MAP gauge, so I am stuck with LOD with the SG (and UG).
Great job everyone else, the summers do bring out the best... with sweat of course ;)
First off, rest of trips from yesterday:
topped out around 95F:
45.3 MPG / 2.8 mi FSU to home
36.8 MPG / 2.1 mi home to work (Publix)
44.2 MPG / 3.4 mi Ocala (my) Publix to Lake Ella Publix (had to go get bucket of icing to fix a cake)
44.7 MPG / 3.5 mi Lake Ella Pubublix to Ocala Publix
45.7 MPG / 2.2 mi Publix to home
this morning, 85F, and to continue everyone's upward climb:
36.4 MPG / 3.0 mi drove roommate to work at Walmart (new route there, this one is better)
and I'm not sure this is right, but...
73.8 MPG / 2.8 mi Walmart to home, I thank the light traffic. This was nice, but I think my previous 70.0 MPG over 10.0 miles was more impressive :p
EVuser 06-30-2011, 11:25 AM I recommend 75 LOD for pulsing. With my P&G heavy driving I have a +12% fuel adjustment (-12% mpg). P&G usually requires a bigger offset than steady driving.
Andrew, Could you elaborate as to why the P&G increases your SG error?
Sean, I am truely impressed that you are able to find higher PR numbers. Glad you and the Insight like the heat. Tomorrow is your favorite driving day ;) and it has some rain potential for the drive home. Might be lighter traffic this Friday with the recommended long 4th weekend to celebrate. Enjoy
PaleMelanesian 06-30-2011, 11:38 AM It's the transition times - bump-start engine, idle to high throttle, high throttle back to idle, idle to off. The gauge doesn't react fast enough. (though the newer versions are faster) Also, the time the car is actually off - while the engine spins down - is not counted even though you're still accumulating miles.
You have to adjust both miles and fuel offset depending on the amount of P&G and FAS.
Brandon - 73.8 over only 2.8 miles? Well Done!
EVuser 06-30-2011, 12:44 PM It's the transition times - bump-start engine, idle to high throttle, high throttle back to idle, idle to off. The gauge doesn't react fast enough. (though the newer versions are faster) Also, the time the car is actually off - while the engine spins down - is not counted even though you're still accumulating miles.
You have to adjust both miles and fuel offset depending on the amount of P&G and FAS.
Andrew,
Do you have the ability to set your fuel type to hybrid? Other than showing a 0.04 gph per hour engine off that seems to take care of the not running corrections on the HAH. But I seldom do FAS glides as it takes so long for the Nav/HVAC computer to reboot and reset, just NICE.
Much prefer the Solectria for super efficient low speed drives.
Mike
Right Lane Cruiser 06-30-2011, 01:03 PM Thanks, Brandon! Nice work on that 70+mpg segment, too!! :thumbs_up:
EVuser, I'm looking forward to some time off. :) Thank for the props -- it's all a tremendously fun effort. :D
The offsets are as Andrew mentioned -- some improvement can be found by adding in a FAS button to kill the engine without touching the ignition. The problem is in the "freezing" that the SG does when it stops receiving info. It will stick at the last seen consumption rate until it starts getting data again -- hence worse numbers and the need for a larger offset.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-30-2011, 04:01 PM Okay, this is getting flat out ridiculous. :D
I left work this afternoon with the windows both down all the way for the first 0.5mi. Then I had them all the way up with the fan on 1 until I was 2mi from home, at which point I rolled the driver's side all the way down and the passenger's side down about 3". I got pretty drippy but it was worth it!
91F (101F heat index), 11-17mph tail/crosswind from the SE, sunny:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/91F_with_an_11-17mph_SE_tailwind.jpg
Another PR -- by 10.6mpg!! :D
The tank average is now up to 107.6mpg over 1000.5mi with 9 of 20 bars remaining on the fuel gauge.
Day Total is also a PR by 6.5mpg (and besting my old route PR by a good 4.4mpg in the process!):
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/594/highest_day_total_ever.jpg
:woot:
No more driving for me for a while. I'm working from home tomorrow and then starting vacation until Thursday of next week. :D
PaleMelanesian 06-30-2011, 04:06 PM Excellent! Go out with a bang! Have a good time on vacation, Sean.
Right Lane Cruiser 06-30-2011, 04:22 PM Thanks, Andrew. :D
Right Lane Cruiser 07-01-2011, 12:02 AM I just realized that I have officially broken the 200% EPA barrier in my Insight for the first time with my Day Total average!! :eek:
all_about_the_glide 07-01-2011, 08:40 AM Sean way to knock it out of the park...these are potential record days. Unfortunately, strange behavior by other motorists on the interstate all within 4 miles of my workplace (starting to think of it as the FE Triangle) have kept my trips in the mid to upper 60's. Other than one 13 mile stretch after a fill, which I discount, I still have not cracked 70
Not sure if this has been covered: my guess is that density altitude (air density relative to altitude corrected for temp, humidity and barometric pressure) is the best gauge for day's potential mileage.
from a calculator site: http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_da.htm
"Air density is affected by the air pressure, temperature and humidity. The density of the air is reduced by decreased air pressure, increased temperatures and increased moisture. A reduction in air density reduces engine horsepower, reduces aerodynamic lift and reduces drag. "
When the density altitude is high our engines' get less O2 per volume of air flow which means less petrol metered in per revolution while simultaneously our aero drag is reduced.
We use this to figure out how much "horsepower" our coffee roaster has on any given day and adjust batch size and roasting profiles accordingly when the DA gets to far away from average.
This morning our D.A. is exceptionally high: 900 ft. of nominal altitude with temps in the low 80's, a dew point of 73 and 29.7mg of bp = 3188 ft DA. Below sea level DA is common in the winter here in Minnesota.
PaleMelanesian 07-01-2011, 08:55 AM I removed post in the other thread.
PaleMelanesian 07-01-2011, 09:00 AM 84.7 / 10.5 - home last night
75.4 / 8.9 - to music practice. A sudden Severe Thunderstorm (official NWS) delayed me for a half hour. It was still raining and wind was gusting from all directions. I've done 100 mpg on this route before.
79.2 / 9.1 - back home. Wet roads, gusty, but no more rain.
89.9 / 10.7 - work this morning. soooooo close!
The tank is steady at 83.9 / 820 miles.
alvaro84 07-01-2011, 09:33 AM Finished another tank this week: it became the best this year so far: 2.814l/100km, 83.58mpgUS.
I don't understant at all, even though I started this one on the top of a hill, right before a 1.5km FAS... it had 42% 2-up riding, had some rain (like 3 or 4 trips to or from work) and strong crosswind after all.
After coming home from work, I had some errand to run to Budapest (like 115km, 1-up), it was rainy and the became very windy on the way back... heck, some places I got so strong headwind it ruined quite a few attempts to FAS - I felt it was blowing me back up the hill :D
Had to do some heavy adjustment on the new clutch cable: that damn thing has been literally stretching since I got it, and on the way back I couln't adjust it anymore (which hurt my glides even more). So I had to remove the cable when I got home and tighten it on the other end.
EVuser 07-01-2011, 12:53 PM Yesterday was a good day for the EV. (actually eveyday is good, some just better:))
Shared this with Sean while congratulating him on another great day. He suggested I share it for the EV perspective.
About a 3rd of the way through some around town driving I realized that I had managed to not have someone in the rearview mirror for the first few miles, kw numbers looking good as the glides were long so I started to earnestly apply all the cleanmpg stuff that applies to the EV. Employing my what would Sean do mindset. Anyhow, it was a typical city drive in distance.
Drove 11.4 miles, stopped 26 times, top speed 40 mph, road 90% what you would call flat with just minor grade variation but two short grades to climb in traffic coming and going, weather clear 85-87F, calm. No AC was used. Best thing was that following traffic was minimal making for great glides and no need for much regen or brakes. As with most any drive there were better numbers to be had if there were do overs.
Numbers from ecomodder.com converter
L/100 km 0.98
km / L 102.41
mpg (US) 240.89
mpg (Imp) 289.29
km/gal (US) 387.67
gallon (US) / 100 mi 0.42
Wh/km 86.56
Wh/mi 139.31
My wife has the car this morning and she will be doing about 13 miles on a perhaps tougher route and not driving like a hypermiler so maybe I'll post it also.
A happy 4th to all.
Mike
Die2self 07-01-2011, 01:13 PM got homw last night FCD was at 49.6. Wife took the car to get milk from Braums (5 blocks away) This morning FCD was 49.1
Worked hard to pull it back up on the way to work.
FCD
50.2 MPG (46.7 with the 7% offsite) over 47.6 miles (80F SSW 7MPH)
EVuser 07-01-2011, 02:32 PM My wife's drive.
She sure went further than the gps distance I looked up ahead of time. She also ran the ac for most of the drive and forgot to turn the regen on until almost home again.
17.1 miles @ 226.2
L/100 km 1.59
km / L 63.07
mpg (US) 148.36
mpg (Imp) 178.17
km/gal (US) 238.76
gallon (US) / 100 mi 0.67
Wh/km 140.55
Wh/mi 226.2
Right Lane Cruiser 07-01-2011, 08:39 PM Thanks, AATG! I know how frustrating the traffic snarls can be — keep working at it and eventually you'll get that break you're looking for. :)
Andrew, still throwing out the insane POE numbers I see — even in rainstorms. :D:thumbs_up:
Way to go, Alvaro!!! :woot:
EVUser, incredible!! Even my best commute ever can't quite match what your wife returned and your numbers… well, those are the stuff of dreams for me! I'm definitely going to keep reaching for them, though. ;)
Jason, it's tough to make a comeback from someone else knocking your average down but you are obviously up for the challenge. Nicely done!
I hope everyone has a happy and safe Independence Day! :flag:
all_about_the_glide 07-01-2011, 08:59 PM At a SHG caliber 4200 ft of DA, a tail wind and compliant traffic I nailed 71 mpg over 30 miles work to home (picture in my gallery)...over 28 miles of it sweat soaked, super gliding interstate joy. Even my eight year old daughter acted impressed. Only one more goal to my SG.
Right Lane Cruiser 07-01-2011, 10:05 PM Aha!! Sweet!! :D:D:D
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/medium/2011-07-01_17-31-50_518.jpg
Corrected mileage, right?
all_about_the_glide 07-02-2011, 06:18 AM Corrected: a conservative 71. New goal: 70 on the display. Most likely home to work: right turns plus a tiny drop in elevation.
all_about_the_glide 07-02-2011, 06:26 AM Still a klutz at staying out of assist from a dead stop, getting decent at holding it to 3 to 4 bars when I have to accelerate briskly, once I feel competent it's scan gauge time.
alvaro84 07-02-2011, 08:19 AM OK. That fix on the clutch cable didn't work. It's the same again: I ordered one long ago and it haven't arrived. It's just that it's not the post, it's a workshop. The one I could quickly reach when I lost the last one. I'll call my 'normal' mechanic to get one asap... he's at Budapest but seems much more reliable.
FSUspectra 07-02-2011, 08:40 AM Yesterday was a busy day!
Responded to my first call in a while, yard trash fire out of control... owner luckily had it out by the time we got there though.
30.3 / 9.7 home to station with lights on (includes 4 mile run on I-10 at 70mph)
56.9 / 10.0 station to home
41.8 / 5.6 drove friend to barber shop
48.1 / 5.1 barber shop to home, different route
45.8 / 10.6 back out to Midway for community event standby, w/ detour to babysitter
54.7 / 11.0 station to sitter to home
and this morning
32.2 / 3.0 drove roommate to work at WM
65.2 / 2.9 WM to home
tank avg approx 43 MPG at 119.7 mi
lxmike 07-02-2011, 09:15 AM I spoke too soon :(:( As I going to work thursday it started a negative recal and then the ima light came on....
Untill then it was workign great. never got below 19 bars of soc. one thing i did notice was thaat i could onyl get regen down to 28 mph. under that and even if i downshifted and blipped the gas i wouldn't get regen. my brother asked if maybe was cause my driving is such short trips 5-7 miles that maybe that could have something to do with it??
I'm thinking that i might just take the battery pack out and take the junction board off and keep that in the car to keep the 12V charged and run it that way.
tank sitting at 84.x 162 miles and all 20 bars on fuel guage.
Right Lane Cruiser 07-02-2011, 09:53 AM Mike, short trips shouldn't cause an issue. Too bad about the battery. :(
I recommend saving your Pennies for a BetterBattery from Hybrid Batery Repair — it utilizes truly new cells with higher capacity and the ability to handle higher output as wel as input currents than the original pack cells (even when they were brand new).
diamondlarry 07-03-2011, 07:37 PM Went for a drive today. There is a fireworks store right next door to where my wife and I work so, I did a little research.:D The temperature was 82F and the wind was NW@ 5-10 mph.
118.4 9.1-to the store
115.1 11.1-back home. quite a difference between a few minutes of sitting vs. 8 hours
Day Total: 116.6mpg over 20.2 miles.
alvaro84 07-04-2011, 01:25 AM Yesterday I made another temporary fix on the clutch cable. Worked well this morning, on the way to work, I could even FAS normally. Well, I don't want it to stay like this, I'll contact the workshop(s) today.
Die2self 07-05-2011, 01:31 PM lots of 4 up drive with the family in the Fit this weekend with the A/C on. The Fit doesn't like city driving with the A/C on at all. :eek:
so from Fiday to Tuesday morning at work I lost 2 MPG
FCD shows 48.3 now with 117.0 miles on the ODO with the Gas Guage at about 7/8.
No new weekly thread so I am posting here.;)
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