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xcel
11-19-2006, 09:55 AM
Might make legislators "more friendly" toward tougher fuel-efficiency standards. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0611140235nov14,0,3731833.story?coll=chi-business-hed)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Toyota_Sequoia2.jpgBloomberg - Nov. 14, 2006

WASHINGTON - Toyota Motor Corp., Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG were the only automakers to boost U.S. fuel economy from 1996 through 2005, as more buyers turned to sport-utility vehicles and pickup trucks, a consumer group said Monday.

Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.'s Subaru stayed the same during the period, and fuel efficiency declined at nine other automakers, the Consumer Federation of America said in a report.

"The market is essentially replacing more fuel-efficient vehicles with less fuel-efficient vehicles," said Jack Gillis, the group's public-affairs director.

Sales fell 3 percent for cars during the period while increasing 58 percent for SUVs and pickups, which generally travel fewer miles on a gallon of gasoline, the group said.

The report comes as Democrats take control of Congress for the first time since 1994, a change that the group said might make legislators "more friendly" toward tougher fuel-efficiency standards. U.S. law requires that automakers pay fines if their fleet of vehicles fails to meet federal mileage rules.

Congress might be more likely to pass proposals such as one by Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) that would raise combined light truck-car standards to an average of 33 miles per gallon by 2016 models, said Mark Cooper, the consumer group's research director.

Auto fuel economy industrywide rose 2 percent, to an average of 25.4 m.p.g. from 24.9 m.p.g. during the 10-year period, the group said in its report. The standard for 2005 models was 27.5 m.p.g. for cars and 21 for light trucks. The truck standard is increasing to 24 m.p.g. by 2011 models under new regulations.

Automakers have increased fuel efficiency by about 2 percent a year since the 1970s, said Charles Territo, a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.

Pravus Prime
11-19-2006, 11:46 AM
I'm thinking those statistics might be stacked. There's been a shift towards I-4's, dual mode cyclinder shutdown, etc. on cars, as well as many hybrids to suddenly account for a 2% increase without making any real changes to existing produced vehicles. It's not like all these vehicles are suddenly 2% more efficient, I don't think, just that there are more options that are more fuel efficient; it still doesn't mean the "on the road" MPG rose much.

FE rose 2% a year since the '70's? Not according to Who Killed The Electric Car...

Chuck
11-19-2006, 12:08 PM
....many times I have been told that they are necessary to carry all their things and people (even if they only pack it no more than a dozen times a year). Analysts conclude they are used like a minivan or station wagon, yet they have 4WD, oversized tires, a high ground clearance....all to to probably the only off-roading ever done - cutting off the freeway between exit ramps. All this - and gearing to haul about a ton of freight is necessary for the typical commute of 1-2 people and a few items from the store.

While I've been angerly been told they are necessary, my limited IQ can't sort out that vehicles now outnumber people in America and most commutes are single-occupant (60%?), yet they often drive vehicles that can carry 6-8 people with the seldom-used offroad capability.

I know it's been stressed these are utilitarian vehicles, but the ones that sell the best have the blunt Peterbulit front with a Cd of about 0.50 - not a better piercing front like the Lexus RX300 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_RX300) with a Cd of about 0.26 (twice as aerodynamic). But again I don't understand. I've heard rumors the blunt bulky look might be connected with respect. ;) It's like in the jungle, the bigger you are the higher you are on the food chain. I know the roads get crazy out there, but the last I've checked, armored vehicles are not needed in Dallas like they are in Bagdad.

I've seen the apologists for Escalades, Hummers, and Suburbans, flame: "you are too poor to afford them....". While I have no idea of who they are, I know in 2005, the Katrina gas hike spiked credit card gas purchases from 40 to 60% - personal debt is on the rise. I hear credit card consolidation and bankruptacy commercials more and more. To paraphrase someone else, there are a few wealthy people out there, but a lot more pretenders.

The article is talking about fleet mpg since 1996. This is when trucks and SUV got supersized. I'm not really talking about the CUVs, smaller pickups, FEH, etc....but it's interesting the fleet mpg has dropped about the time the supersizing was done in earnest.

Again, I know a few people have told me I need therpy for articulating these thoughts against an essential mode of transportation. Just one more insane thought - how did people manage to commute before 1980? ;)

Pravus Prime
11-19-2006, 12:23 PM
Again, I know a few people have told me I need therpy for articulating these thoughts against an essential mode of transportation. Just one more insane thought - how did people manage to commute before 1980? ;)


With their land boats! :p

I'll admit, since I got the FEH, I've become far more sensitive on the issue; wondering like you, just how much is really needed. I knew I would be leaving the Explorer brand behind when I got a new car, as from '95 model I had was about 1/3 smaller then the current models, and the Escape was priced so nicely, and was even smaller on the exterior. (While strangely larger on the interior.)

Anyway, to the point, I have a friend of my parents; she's 40+, a home healtcare nurse, and she recently traded in her Geo Tracker for... A Quad Cab Heavy Duty pickup. For herself to drive to her clients and back. :confused: WHY?!? She wanted it. I sputtered for a bit, but didn't say anything, since I didn't want to ruin a long friendship. :mad:

Chuck
11-19-2006, 12:43 PM
I'm trying hard not to say:

FEH = Navigator
Honda Element = Toyota Sequoia
Ranger = F250

As big as the 70s boat cars were, today's Escalades and H2s make them seem modest on consumption. It's possible to have a roomy luxury sedan than can get the 20s or even 30's - about double the fuel economy over what they are typically driving now.

I hope we will see more CUVs with 2WD, lower clearance....something like the Lexus RX330 a little lower and smaller tires...and of course hybrid like the RX400.



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