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xcel
12-08-2009, 10:31 AM
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http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2011_Prius-III_PHEV.jpgWayne Gerdes - CleanMPG (cleanmpg.com) - Dec. 8, 2009

2011 Prius-III PHEV-12/13 in the flesh – Cost unknown? FE... 50 mpgUS combined in charge sustaining mode ;)

The 2011 Toyota Prius PHEV made its North American debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show last week.

Built specifically to support a global program that begins this month, the 2011 Prius PHEV is based on the third-generation 2010 Prius and expands Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive capability. As reported numerous times, the 2010 PHEV will include Toyota’s first generation Li-Ion pack that enables all-electric operation at speeds up to 62 mph. When fully charged, the vehicle is targeted to achieve a maximum electric-only range of approximately 13 miles. For longer distances, the 2011 Prius PHEV reverts to “hybrid mode” and operates like a regular Prius. This ability to utilize all-electric power for short trips or hybrid power for longer drives alleviates the issue of limited cruising range encountered with pure electric vehicles.

Beginning later this month, a total of 350 vehicles will begin delivery in Japan and Europe in support of model programs with business and government partners aimed at raising societal awareness of, and preparedness for, this important new technology.

Beginning early next year, 150 vehicles will start arriving in the U.S., where they will be placed in regional clusters with select partners for market/consumer analysis and technical demonstration.

On the technical side, the U.S. program aims to confirm, in a wide variety of real world applications, the overall performance of first-generation Li-Ion battery technology, while spurring the development of public-access charging station infrastructure.

All vehicles will be equipped with data retrieval devices which will monitor activities such as how often the vehicle is charged and when; whether the batteries are depleted or being topped off during charging; trip duration, all-EV driving range and combined mpg.

“This program is a necessary first step in societal preparation, in that it allows us the unique opportunity to inform, educate and prepare customers for the introduction of plug-in hybrid technology,” said Irv Miller, TMS group vice president, environmental and public affairs. “When these vehicles come to market, customers must understand what to expect and if this technology is the right fit for them.”

To assist with customer education, Toyota has launched a PHEV demonstration program website – Prius PHEV (www.priusphv.com). At the site, visitors can learn more about the technology, follow the program’s progress and, once the vehicles are deployed, track the performance of the demonstration program fleet. This transparent communication of vehicle performance and real world data will allow customers to make informed decisions when considering the purchase of a plug-in hybrid vehicle.

About that battery

The battery powering the Prius PHEV is the first Li-Ion drive-battery developed by Toyota and its joint venture battery production company, Panasonic Electric Vehicle Energy (PEVE). In early November, PEVE began producing the first of more than 500 Li-Ion batteries on a dedicated assembly line at its Teiho production facility in Japan.

PEVE is the world’s leading producer of NiMH batteries for automotive drive applications, having surpassed two million units in total production volume. Nickel-metal batteries are ideal for mass producing affordable conventional hybrid vehicles due to their low cost, excellent quality, high reliability and moderate-demand charge-sustaining operation. Li-Ion batteries however are more promising for pure electric and PHEV applications which require higher energy density to meet the higher demands of charge-depleting operation (large swings in charge/discharge). Although Li-Ion batteries are less expensive in terms of materials, they are more expensive than nickel-metal in terms of production costs.

This first-generation Li-Ion battery has undergone more than three years of coordinated field testing in Japan, North America and Europe in a wide variety of climatic environments and driving conditions. Using approximately 150 conventional hybrids (mostly Prius), the field test vehicles logged well over a million combined miles. In the end, the battery was deemed both reliable and durable, confirming that it could indeed be used in conventional hybrid applications in the future, depending on further developments in cost reduction.

The battery will now be placed into service in the 500 Prius PHEVs dedicated to Toyota’s global demonstration program which begins in December.

chilimac02
12-08-2009, 01:16 PM
62mph in EV mode? That's got to be an interesting noise/lack of noise. I'd like to see it because it's either going to be really quiet (due to low drag of the car) or sound like my old Radio Control car winding out at top speed.

JusBringIt
12-08-2009, 01:37 PM
They beat GM to the punch, however, GM's response MIGHT "pack" a bigger punch. This should be very interesting.

bomber991
12-08-2009, 03:11 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens whenever they come out with this car as something consumers can purchase. What will the price difference be between the base prius and the plugin version? Will that 13 miles of electric range make up for that price difference?

I'd think that most prius driver are people that drive an above average number of miles per year. Something like 15k miles per year. That's about 40 miles a day if they drive every day, and having 13 of those 40 miles use no fuel comes out to using about 32% less fuel each day than they normally would have.

Either way, it's always a step in the right direction.

Yoshi
12-09-2009, 09:52 AM
What will the price difference be between the base prius and the plugin version?
Hello from Japan,

I believe the pricing won't be announced for the "Toyota’s global demonstration program" starting soon.
A pricing is very critical part for sales/marketing division.
Please remember that the 2010 Prius pricing was announced on April 21st, just a few months before the official launch.
I bet the pricing about the plug-in Prius for consumers, expected late 2011, price will also be announced a few months before the launch.

Yoshi@Japan

PS.
Panasonic Electric Vehicle Energy (PEVE)
They never use "Electric Vehicle" words on their official company name.
It's Panasonic EV Energy Co., Ltd. (http://www.peve.jp/e/index.html)

adrianblack
01-12-2010, 03:23 PM
I find the 62mph EV mode interesting. From what I've read, the drivetrain is basically the same on the PHEV Prius. The Li-Ion battery can just pump out more juice.

I wonder if the car has different gearing to do they really run MG2 at higher RPM to allow the higher speed?

I was under the impression the real limitation on the current Prius is when going over 43mph the power consumed sustaining that speed would not ensure enough electrical power to start the ICE in all cases?

Anyway, when these cars get to market, I can't wait for the hackers to get their hands on them to find out what's really different about them other than the battery and A/C charging circuit. :-)

It seems that the Gen III Prius does not allow you to drive when you are out of gas -- meaning the "hack" they developed in Gen II cars to allow for greater EV speed is gone.

Right Lane Cruiser
01-12-2010, 03:28 PM
Hi, Adrian -- I believe the explanation is that the original (prior to the Prius-II model) MG specs couldn't handle the higher speed but better components were used in the newer model without changing the software limits.

Yoshi
01-13-2010, 09:35 AM
I wonder if the car has different gearing to do they really run MG2 at higher RPM to allow the higher speed?
I believe you mean MG1. The MG2 can run as fast as the top speed, over 100 mph.

Have you ever seen following Gen2 Prius plug-in prototype information?
http://www2.toyota.co.jp/en/news/07/0725.html
http://www2.toyota.co.jp/en/tech/environment/phv/conference/driving_300k.asx
The Gen2 Prius plug-in also has 100 km/h (62 mph) EV speed capability.

I had a opportunity to talk with Mr. Yoshikazu Tanaka, Prius plug-in Chief Engineer, and he said nothing changed about the gearing and mechanical construction on both Gen2 and Gen3 Prius plug-in, only the program on the ECU enables the higher EV speed.

Yoshi@Japan

Right Lane Cruiser
01-13-2010, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the verification, Yoshi!

(Good to hear from you again, too. :) -- I see you upgraded your vehicle!)

Yoshi
01-13-2010, 11:32 AM
Sean,
Thank you!
Yes, I'm alive. :)
I fell in love with Gen3 Prius, because I was invited to the Prius Connection Detroit event last year, maybe. :)

Yoshi@Japan

Right Lane Cruiser
01-13-2010, 12:26 PM
Sean,
Thank you!
Yes, I'm alive. :)
I fell in love with Gen3 Prius, because I was invited to the Prius Connection Detroit event last year, maybe. :)

Yoshi@Japan

That was a fun event and I'm glad I got to meet you there in person!



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