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xcel
10-22-2009, 07:07 PM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/AmericanFlag.jpg "I want a hybrid." (detnews.com/article/20091022/OPINION03/910220406/1149/Green-off--Hybrid-models-put-to-the-test)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2010_Prius.jpgScott Burgess - Detroit News (Detroitnews.com) - Oct. 22, 2009

2010 Prius-III - $22,400 to start and 50 mpgUS combined.

Prius still on top although not in everything... -- Ed.

I've heard that from more than one reader, and I have come to realize that most people don't really know a thing about hybrids. Not all hybrids are created equal and not every hybrid will fit into every garage the same.

First, let's define "hybrid." These are cars that run on gas and electric drivetrains. Some carmakers don't like the idea of hybrids because they have to create two powertrains for a single vehicle. Consumers, however, don't seem to mind.

These cars are not the final answer in mankind's quest for high-mileage, environmentally friendly machines, but they are part of the solution. A hundred years from now, when all of the vehicles are fueled by carbon neutral dilithium crystals and historians look back to trace the powertrain's lineage, hybrids will be a distant relative; the cars and trucks that started the world down a different road...

So what's the best of the best when it comes to a hybrid car? Depends on the driver.

Of the eight in our comparison, three models, the 2010 Toyota Prius, the 2010 Honda Insight and the 2010 Lexus are hybrid-only models, meaning there are no gas-only versions of these cars. The remainder comes in hybrid versions of regular models: 2010 Ford Fusion, 2010 Honda Civic, 2009 Nissan Altima (which is only sold in the nine most pretentious states in the U.S.), 2010 Toyota Camry and the 2010 Mercury Milan.

Daily performance

Gas mileage is not the only thing to measure when weighing a car's performance, and never, I mean never, take hybrid owners' mileage figures too seriously. Yes, it is possible to get 90 miles per gallon in a Prius, but you can also get 100 mpg in a semi truck if the 100 miles are downhill. Exuberant hybrid owners' mileage figures tend to fudge to the high side. For people not posting to CleanMPG.com, I have found EPA estimates to be pretty accurate... http://detnews.com/article/20091022/OPINION03/910220406/1149/Green-off--Hybrid-models-put-to-the-test

brick
10-22-2009, 07:14 PM
"For people not posting to CleanMPG.com..."

That gives me a chuckle. :D

jpleong
10-23-2009, 11:22 AM
That was a superior article! No hidden bias and simple, clear-cut evaluations. The Detroit Free Press could learn something from this competitor...

JP

xcel
10-23-2009, 11:53 AM
Hi Jpleong:

___Scott is one funny writer to put it lightly. He sent me a note yesterday morning highlighting this one and it certainly was worthy of our news let alone everybody else’s.

___At the Prius launch in NAPA, he drove the Prius-III with his foot on the brake and accelerator at the same time (not actually ;)), WOT and full brakes when not, seat heaters, A/C, lights, radio on full and the windows open trying to bring its FE down. IIRC, he pulled 27 mpg which is shocking to us but in his write-up, he titled it "Detroit, you are in trouble" and said he could not get it any lower no matter how hard he tried!

___Before I knew what he was writing, I told him I would hound him to the gates of hell until his last days if he wrote something truly derogatory ;) We all had a good laugh after that one :D

___Anyway, he tells it like he sees it no matter the vehicle and I have great respect for his writing and his honesty. One of my favorite auto writers in fact!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

St. Mushroom
10-23-2009, 12:50 PM
If only Honda was pumping more research funding into IMA instead of dilithium crystals, maybe Toyota wouldn't be cleaning their clock with Prius III...

rdprice64
10-23-2009, 12:55 PM
"For people not posting to CleanMPG.com..."

That gives me a chuckle. :D

I think that just mean that Wayne should offer a free membership for any Hybrid owner ... oh wait, he already does ;)

... when all of the vehicles are fueled by carbon neutral dilithium crystals ...

So, I thought this was just a Star Trek thing. Is there any real future in Dilithium Crystals???

All kidding aside, it was a very well written article!

-Rob

St. Mushroom
10-23-2009, 01:02 PM
So, I thought this was just a Star Trek thing. Is there any real future in Dilithium Crystals???

Not with "Big Hydrogen" buying up all the patents.



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