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Just 76mpg this morning. :( Back in August I'd gotten 86.

Okay. I guess I'll start it off. Today was pretty lackluster. I'm getting about 45mpg these days due to the cold. Temps are around mid 30s.

I'm having the same results here in NE. MPG running around 45-47 with daytime temps in the 50's. There must be a fuel additive that counteracts the ethanol effect? But I haven't found it yet.

I'm sure someone has a "pill" that claims to help ;)

Sign me up for the happy pills. After going to a concert this weekend and showing up for work this morning, my ~285mi tank is sitting on 32.1mpg. Not bad for the average driver but positively disgusting compared to what this car was doing even a month ago. As discussed in a different thread, I think something is up with the car or the fuel. These numbers are 10-15% below what I was getting in March and April under very similar conditions. Winter crapoline, maybe?

Considering the fact that the temperature started out at 33 and never got above 38, I did ok. This morning's trip into the wife's work was 34.3 and from there to my work was 54.4. This afternoon on the way back to pick up my wife I managed 60.7 and from there to home I ended up with a 54.2. This is all SG data and, as far as I know, it should be pretty close on calibration now. I filled up yesterday and the SG reported 4.7 gallons and I only used 4.603 after 238.4 miles for 51.792 mpg. I always fill at the slowest speed on the pump and always fill to the top of the filler and skake the car untill all of the air bubbles are out. I call it full after the level doesn't drop when I shake it and let it set 30 seconds.

Hi All:

___Consumed 0 gallons for a change! Slept at the Park and Ride and got picked up at the Park and Ride. The drive home on Wednesday morning (36 hours from now) will add 60 miles however :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I must have done something right this morning because I was well over 35mpg on the trip to work. I'm thinking that some FE potential is still there even with temps in the 30s, but the car's sensitivity to poor practice or adverse elements in the driving cycle is much higher. Maybe salvaging the situation just means taking greater care?

First trip to work on a fresh tank. 36f at the house this am. Droped the wife off at her place of labor then on to mine netted 45 mpg. Calling for rain wensday. That should be loads of fun with these idiot drivers. Can we say bumper cars? On a high note its suppose to warm up thru the week a tad. :)

38 degrees this morning, the old Bond Mobile is still hanging in there with a 65.x mpg 30 mi segment. Garage seems to help, as I noticed FE dropping a bit the longer the drive continued in the cold. This afternoon will be interesting.

Yesterday did about 50 miles of non-commute driving, dropped the daily FE to the low 60's. Ugh.

The Mudder seems happy to be back on the road this week and gave me 63+mpg on a 50 mile extended commute yesterday. Today we hit 71+mpg on the way to work. The weather is helping --we’re still in the ‘80s this week, and nights still manage to stay above 60. Can’t wait for DST to end next week so the sun will rise an hour earlier and it won’t be so pitch black when I start out in the morning.

Daughter called last night, excitedly reporting the first snow flurries in PA. :bananajump: It still thrills the California girl though it’s her 2nd year there. Last year when she saw her first snow I had to hold the phone 6 inches away from my ear.
Just thought I’d let you know someone’s happy about winter. ;)

Daughter called last night, excitedly reporting the first snow flurries in PA. :bananajump: It still thrills the California girl though it’s her 2nd year there. Last year when she saw her first snow I had to hold the phone 6 inches away from my ear.
Just thought I’d let you know someone’s happy about winter. ;)


The best snow is in the Rockies.

Snow skiing is not that hard. Imagine if traffic was closed to the I5/I10 mixmaster and you could RollerBlade down it. OK, landing on asphalt is truly scary, but it's much softer on snow. Keeping your balance is actually harder on RollerBlades than snow skis.

First trip to work on a fresh tank. 36f at the house this am. Droped the wife off at her place of labor then on to mine netted 45 mpg. Calling for rain wensday. That should be loads of fun with these idiot drivers. Can we say bumper cars? On a high note its suppose to warm up thru the week a tad. :)

Wasnt much better for the evening drive. With a steady south wind I got 44 mpg.

O well

The warmer temperatures in the evening are helping me a little.

Same results this morning as yesterday: 35.4mpg. Applied plenty of DWB and DWL with a few NICE-ons and a FAS on approach to the parking lot. Kept my highway speeds down around 60mph. Maintaining the iFCD over 40 in the flats was a struggle right to the bitter end. Looks like it paid off considering the near-freezing temps. Tank picked up another tick to 32.4mpg.

This morning it was warm - 60F, but a steady rain. The rain made up for the warmer weather as the run was 73.5mpg.

I drove the Accord in this morning. It was a freaking mess. No rain as forcasted. Stupid okie weather people. If its not on the radar they are clueless.

Anyway,, this drive may come to a end. Im going to look for a job in my poverty ridden little town. I will take half the money to get rid of the ever increasing traffic issues. Im fed up with folks and cell phone useage, people that cant merg. It just gets worse and worse.

I must be missing something that drives folks like cattle to larger citys seeking the ever more worthless thing called money.

Today started out at 27 degrees. :( The drive from home into my wife's work was 32.7 mpg. From there to my work I tried something a bit different in my P&G routine. I usually pulse from 30-35 up to 45-50. I aim for a 15 mph difference from the high to the low. Today however, I went from 40 up to 55. I think this is how I was able to manage a 55.0 segment from my wife's work to my work. I was happy especially since it was only 27F. On the way home, the temp had risen to ~50 and I managed a 60.5 segment from my work back to the wife's work. From there to my mom's house I got 55.3. I just capped off the day by getting a 75.1 segment on the way home from dropping my daughter off at church. The temp has dropped back to 43F.

It's between rains and 65F. Got 83mpg this morning. :)

I got about 50 today. The car drove well. I think I had another tailwind.

It was pretty much ~40F all day with rain. I got 32.9 on the first leg of my morning trip and 57.2 for the second leg with a light sprinkle of rain. This afternoon, the rain was pretty much a full blown rain. I managed 58.7 to the wife's work and from there to home was 49.6.

Nutty commute home. I was doing OK, pushing harder than normal, until every single postal employee, UPS driver, farm vehicle, and soccer mom decided to park in the middle of the narrow back roads to reduce them down to one lane in at least 5 or 6 places. My planned LS P&G cycle devolved into a game of dodging and weaving, and the end result was a disappointing 33.1mpg. Maybe tomorrow.

Hi All:

___Worst commute of the year in terms of time. 3 hours and 45 minutes to travel 95 miles in 44 - 46 degree temps with a continuous light to hard rain. Still held onto 45.2 mpg’s but what a Chicago traffic nightmare. I was working my tail off all afternoon to receive even that too :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

The ride home today was a nightmare as well. Not even sure if I ended in the 40s. :(

mine has been feeling sluggish lately, so i finally figured the tire place must have put my snow tires low when they installed them. i bumped them from 32 to 40 and it seemed to help on the way home. the display is showing about 53MPG, pretty good for 40-50 degrees.

It was about 75F and rush hgur this evening just ended - got 86mpg and it might have been 88mpg. :)

I'm enjoying it while I can...

As of late, my wife has been driving more miles than me. The last three days, I have been driving the Odyssey as she has been driving lots of miles throughout the front range. On Tuesday, I drove 20.5 miles at 26.2 mpg (all suburban/city). On Wednesday, I drove 48.8 miles at 28.4 mpg (about 20 miles of freeway and the rest suburban/city). Today, we had pretty heavy snow. There were six inches of wet snow when I left the house this morning. I did a decent amount of driving on unpaved roads. Anyway, I only managed 18.7 mpg through 38.7 miles (all suburban/city). It's been a long time since I have seen fuel economy that low.

Oh well. All you can do is play the hand you are dealt. Tomorrow, the weather will be much nicer. By Sunday, I will be at the Broncos-Colts game wearing shorts.

GO BRONCOS!!!

Hi Mr. Kite:

___Given the 20” snowfall some in your area received, anything greater then 10 mpg’s would be an accomplishment in the Ody ... Nice job in pushing that monster to the numbers you are receiving!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

It appears that I've been infected with the FE virus. I must be sick, or prone to compulsive hehavior? Went to bed last night thinking of giving FAS'ing a try. I've tried a FAS once or twice before and felt like a bumbling fool when everything died at once (duh?), and didn't feel particulalrly smooth in the restart. I think I was turning the key too far "off". But this morning I think I made some progress, but was dissapointed with the 62 mpg results. No 90 mpg segment today.

Can't help but wonder though, when I run through the FAS restart, all the electronics are being rebooted (especially the NAV system) and I just can't help but wonder all these gizmos are being repeately recycled. Someone designed these systems to handle some number of restarts. What are the effects (possibly detrimental effects?) of all these restarts?

What's the difference between a FAS and a plain old CVT in neutral coast in a 06 HCH-II?

Just ahead of a cold front, did 83mpg today and it seemed like it could have been 88.

rhwinger. I don't know of anyone reporting their equipment getting worn out doing FASing.

In the HCH I FASing makes a big difference over neutral coasting. I don't know anyone that has taken a scangauge to an HCH II and found out weather neutral coasting cuts the fuel or not. Some vehicles go into fuel cut mode when decelerating some dont. I don't think my HCH I does.

rhwinger. I don't know of anyone reporting their equipment getting worn out doing FASing.

If you are concerned, eliminate FAS while warming up, which may be the time it helps the most.

A book that was published around 1977 - Drive it Forever stated the wear and tear on the first ten seconds on a cold engine is equivalent to 500 miles on the freeway after the car is warmed up.

A hypermiling vehicle is like a runner. A runner has more wear and tear on the joints, but the health benefits otherwise are overwhelming. Same goes for a hypermileing vehicle.

In the HCH I FASing makes a big difference over neutral coasting. I don't know anyone that has taken a scangauge to an HCH II and found out weather neutral coasting cuts the fuel or not. Some vehicles go into fuel cut mode when decelerating some dont. I don't think my HCH I does.
If you put the HCHII in neutral, isn't it still burning gas? I guess the question would be is it better to leave it in gear so that the engine is not consuming gas but the coast distance is less, or put it in neutral where the engine is consuming gas, but the coast distance is greater?

For me, if I'm going to put it in Neutral, I'm going to do a FAS. However, in my commute and with my driving style, FASing doesn't always offer a benefit for me in the HCHII. In contrast, it almost always offers great benefits in the Odyssey.

I can clearly see a difference in FE when this car is warmed up. Husband used it early this morning so I zeroed the tripA as usual, and was already at 68mpg within 7 miles. I got it as far as 75mpg, and parked it at work at 70. Now, let's see what happens on the way home....please please no headwind....

Took a hit this morning - heavy rains and windy for the drive to work.

It's clearing out now, but a cold front is passing thru. The drive home will be directly into a north wind. :(

Took a hit this morning - heavy rains and windy for the drive to work.

It's clearing out now, but a cold front is passing thru. The drive home will be directly into a north wind. :(

Amen brother.

The north wind basicly wiped out the current tank. I got 36 mpg coming into work heading right into the howling northwind. :mad:

If its still blowing this hard at quiting time I might salvage something out of it,,, but not counting on it.

The Okie winds claim another tank. :mad:

after messing around my car for so long (lots of short trips, messing around with EV mode and wasting gas here and there), its time to maximize my return on investment, I managed to pull a 65.5 mpg segment today over 8.5 miles on my way to work, on the way to work is not as good with 55 mpg since I have more hills to battle. Hopefully by this weekend, I'll able to swap out the default oil and switch over to mobil 1 0-20w maybe find a block heater for cheap? Until then I'll have to cut many copies of cardboard in case a rain decides to wash mine away. This car loses its temp very fast compared to my civic!

One thing for sure hypermiling has never been so **** easy and relaxing haha. The premium was sooooo worth it.

I did very well today. Well, my car did anyway. Larry(DiamondLarry) drove me to the Milwaukee Hybrid Group meeting and did a great job facing super strong headwinds and managing a 53mpg on the way up. With the same wind at his back he managed a 63.9 on the return trip.

Thanks Larry for bringing up my tank average!

I did very well today. Well, my car did anyway. Larry(DiamondLarry) drove me to the Milwaukee Hybrid Group meeting and did a great job facing super strong headwinds and managing a 53mpg on the way up. With the same wind at his back he managed a 63.9 on the return trip.

Thanks Larry for bringing up my tank average!

Thanks for the seat time. :) I ended up with 55.397 for the round trip. :woot: P&G is my buddy! I have to say that hypermiling is soooo much easier in a hybrid. I don't even want to think about how many times I used my kill switch today. There were times when the carpal-tunnel was kicking in and my thumb was starting to go numb and I had to do an extra long glide so I could let my hand and fingers get a rest.

I ended up driving 5 different hybrids today. As already mentioned, Tom's was the first one. The second one was Justin's Insight. Over the course of 9.9 miles around the streets of Oak Creek, WI, I managed 78.4. Since it was my first time behind the wheel, I'll take it. If I had been on familiar roads, I think 100 could be very possible. The next car was Bradlee's Prius. On a bit shorter course, I managed 77.3. This was helped by a stealth glide of nearly a mile(?) which included the turn into the parking lot. The next car was Flash's new HCH2(sorry, I can't remember his name:p) and I managed just over 42 in ~2 miles. The last, but not least, was an unamed person's FEH. ;) I was able to get 39.6 in about the same distance as I went in the Prius. For those who need the extra room of an SUV or feel more comfortable in a vehicle that you can set up high, I think this is a very capable vehicle.

Hi Larry:

___I was waiting for your post about today’s festivities. Driving 5 hybrids in a day is something very few will ever experience and I am glad you had the opportunity. Now all we have to do is get you into one of your own someday ;)

___DebbieKatz here at CleanMPG has the highest recorded lmpg in an FEH of anyone on the planet other then possibly Gary G.! Not only did you drive some of the worlds best FE capable cars, you got to speak with some of the great hypermilers on the planet in person!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Now all we have to do is get you into one of your own someday

Maybe I need to talk to Chris:D

Not only did you drive two of the worlds best FE drivers cars, you got to speak with them in person!

Wayne,
I will have to agree with you there! There needs to be more young people like Justin. I found out that Debbie and I have something in common: She used to own a Saturn; must be how she does it.:p I will say that the Insight was my favorite but, with my family of 4, it wouldn't work.:( I'll have to start saving for a MT HCH1.

My son is starting to become quite the hypermiler. Before the weather got so cold, he managed a ~41 tank. His last tank was 39.5. On the way home from his last fill-up, he ended up with a 66.* segment on the same course that I get my best segments. He is driving the car that was my temporary ride that I had at your house. Now I definitely have to keep workin' it because I can't have my son beat me.:D

Hi All:

___To finish off the week … 50.1 to my drive this morning in temps from 30 - 43 degrees F. 52.3 to work in 48 - 55 degree temps this afternoon. Both while pushing it just about as hard as I could :(

___I learned a few things while driving the Scan Gauge II equipped Accord in the much colder temps this week. I can hit closed loop ops from about 125 degrees coolant temp on up but idle doesn’t really settle down to its std. 850 - 900 RPM until ~ 160 degrees or higher. I always let the ICE settle to idle before the key in a FAS and with that, my iFE at or around 45 mph w/ coolant below 160 is in the 130 - 140 mpg range. With Coolant up around 190, my iFE is in the 180 - 205 mpg range during the brief period of idle before the FAS. This leads me to believe the Accord has stages of closed loop ops as does the Prius I/II but more for reasons of emissions rather then permissives for various Hybrid activity and interaction as well as emissions. I am speaking about a SG-II reading for idle FE at speed so it may not be exact but it appeared as if there were 3 and possibly even 4 thresholds to overcome before idle FE at speed was were it should have been …

___Either way, it beats the heck out of the mid 40 mpg type stuff I was seeing the prior few early mornings/later afternoons but I am having to really work the bejesus out of the Accord for it. It is disheartening to P&G for almost 15 miles and see just 47.5 mpg’s on the SG-II when 60 - 70 mpg’s was the norm not 3 months ago :(

___Tomorrow will be in the 60’s and I will be at home for ~ 21 hours not driving anywhere. No gas consumed is better then any amount consumed of course but why couldn’t I get off on a day when Chicago has a high of 45 vs. the mid 60's like tomorrow possibly?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I got it as far as 75mpg, and parked it at work at 70. Now, let's see what happens on the way home....
Although previous homeward trips (using my new "route") always increased my morning numbers by 1-3mpg, I couldn't hold on to the 70 Friday and rolled into my driveway at 68mpg. :( For no apparent reason either--hardly any wind, and the temps were very warm.

Just don't think my 70mpg roundtrip goal is going to happen this year. LA is starting to cool off now.