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Right Lane Cruiser
06-22-2009, 08:26 AM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/Japanese_Flag_30x22.jpg It’s worth noting that careful driving has netted very impressive mileage for the Insight. (http://www.examiner.com/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m6d21-Review-2010-Honda-Insight--it-only-matches-the-Prius-in-its-looks)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2010_Honda_Insight-II2.jpgBrady Holt - EXAMINER (http://www.examiner.com) - June 21, 2009

The Insight was never intended to be direct competition for the Prius --- too bad the price draws people into that comparison. --Ed.

The Toyota Prius is the ubiquitous hybrid car. It’s instantly recognizable and it can deliver impressive gas mileage while functioning easily as an acceptable daily-use car.

However, the Prius has been only acceptable in most ways by the standards of today’s economy cars. Most notably, its tires are designed for maximizing gas mileage over all else, hurting ride and handling, and it costs more than any other mainstream compact car, thousands more than a comparable Corolla.

Honda has tried to capitalize on the Prius’s shortcomings with gas-electric hybrid versions of its Civic sedan, as the Civic is more comfortable and more of a driver’s car than the Prius. But unique wheels and a little “hybrid” badge never gave it a distinctive visual appeal. So Honda has tried again.

The first generation Insight, the first hybrid car sold in the U.S., got excellent gas mileage but offered space for only two passengers for its price tag of nearly $20,000. The new 2010 model abandons that model, instead aiming directly at the five-door five-seat Prius. The two cars’ outlines are now nearly identical, each aimed at minimizing air resistance without giving up too much interior space.

With the Insight, Honda now has a hybrid that’s both easily recognizable as a hybrid and has a rear seat. The Insight’s base price of $19,800 undercuts that of the Prius – which starts at $22,000 – and Honda promised it would be a hybrid for people who want to feel more connected the road rather than just their fuel economy, as well as a budget hybrid for those who aren’t going to step up to the extra cost of the Prius or other pricey hybrids.

Unfortunately, the details knock down the Insight as a major threat to the Prius’s dominance in this class.

The first key issue is the hybrid system: the Insight’s just doesn’t work well. The Honda’s electric motor has 13 horsepower to the Prius’s 67, meaning it’s much easier to have the Toyota running gas-free with only the motor moving the car. The Insight is a “mild hybrid” that uses its... http://www.examiner.com/x-1017-DC-Car-Examiner~y2009m6d21-Review-2010-Honda-Insight--it-only-matches-the-Prius-in-its-looks

Gordon
06-22-2009, 08:59 AM
In my opinion, I think the author of the article got the handling characteristics of the Insight totally wrong. I had a two hour test drive in it at the beginning of the month, during which time it was taken throughout the back country roads north of Glasgow and I was absolutely gunning it. The last time I had so much fun in a Honda was when I had a Mk 7 Civic and it handled quite like that I thought. Now I know a lot of people will try and disagree with me on that one, but if you flick the Insight-II into a tight country road corner the rear wheel will rise up off the ground, quite like the old civic did. Sure it doesn't come up as much, but it feels absolutely amazing. Oh and yeah, shes great for handbrake turns aswell ;) Something you can't do in a Prius!

When it comes to economy.. I'm sure there are many people around here who know the the EPA is misleading and automotive journalists usually have quite a hard foot, and then go on pissing and moaning about how they're not getting good mileage. People on this site also know that the Insight-II has a lot of potential, even though the batteries and motor is quite limiting. I don't think it would be much of a problem though. Wayne, Sean and Manuel showed that you can easily get high 60's and 70's out of the Insight-II and with those numbers and the lower price for the Insight, it will catch the attention of a lot of people.

However one must not forget the most important part of the Insight-II, its a Honda and it isn't shy in telling you that from time to time ;)

msantos
06-22-2009, 09:47 AM
Typically, you can assess a reviewers general knowledge on the subject by little indicators. The first I noticed is as classical as it is unfortunate:

"The Insight is a “mild hybrid” that uses its electric motor more as a supplement than a replacement for the gasoline engine"The IMA architecture no more mild than it is full. To call it it either is incorrect. The correct architectural definition is that of a Power Assist Hybrid.
Sadly, we have to thank FORD's marketing people for this unfortunate and incorrect labeling.

I agree with the author on many points except for the handling and driving dynamics. My experience also disagrees with him on the abruptness of the power transfers and jerking. :rolleyes:


Cheers;

MSantos

Indigo
06-22-2009, 12:36 PM
Anyone who pays above sticker price for *any* car is an idiot. Given a $500 discount on an Insight vs a several-thousand-dollar dealer surcharge for a Prius, it's a real no-brainer.

fuzzy
06-22-2009, 01:55 PM
... Given a $500 discount on an Insight vs a several-thousand-dollar dealer surcharge for a Prius, ...

Most buyers on PC on not paying any surcharge for their 2010 Priuses, and discounts are becoming more common.

As for the review, Mr. Holt's denigration of the Insight's IMA shows that he doesn't sufficiently understand either hybrid system.

xcel
06-22-2009, 02:28 PM
Hi Guys:

___The reviewer is simply writing as he sees it. He screwed up a few things but so be it.

___He is right wrt the Insight vs. Prius-III comparison however. Where he is wrong is comparing up front costs vs. TCO's of the other compact and subcompact vehicles he recommended. That is a glaring mistake that would have had our head handed to us on a platter for :angel:

___Good Luck

___Wayne



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