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xcel
03-21-2009, 01:00 AM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/Japanese_Flag_30x22.jpg “The Insight could steal a lot of Toyota’s thunder.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/business/21hybrid.html?ref=business)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2010_Honda_Insight-II_EX2.jpgHiroko Tabuchi – NY Times (nytimes.com) – Mar. 20, 2009

2010 Honda Insight-II - < $22,000 well equipped and 41 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA.

Anything selling well in a recession is doing extremely well and should worry its competitors. -- Ed.

Tokyo - The road is about to get a little more crowded for the Toyota Prius. Starting Tuesday, the Honda will offer American consumers what it bills as “the world’s first affordable hybrid.”

If the Insight’s introduction in Japan is any indication, Toyota should be worried. The car went on sale here on Feb. 6, and orders have soared, reaching 18,000 in just the first three weeks — topping Prius’s current sales. In fact, the Insight pushed Prius out of the top-10-selling cars for February.

“I have people asking about hybrids that I never had before,” said Tsuguhito Tokita, a Honda dealer in Tokyo. “With this price, it’s easy to recommend to anyone.” ...

Toyota plans to lower the sticker price of the Prius, according to Japan’s largest business daily, Nikkei. The automaker has refused to confirm the report.

“But I can tell you we’re not satisfied with the current state,” said Paul Nolasco, a Tokyo spokesman for Toyota, which has sold one million Prius vehicles since their introduction a decade ago. “The Insight’s popularity is evidence that the public is recognizing hybrid technology.” ...

Instead of the more complicated hybrid system used in the Prius, the Insight’s main source of power is a lightweight gasoline engine that is assisted by smaller batteries. That greatly reduces manufacturing costs, but gives the Insight lower fuel efficiency than the Prius — 43 miles per gallon on the highway compared with 45 miles per gallon for the Prius. The Insight also shares parts with other Honda models, which helps the carmaker keep costs to a minimum.

Honda has also struck a chord with an overhaul of the car’s shape. One reason its previous hybrids failed to take off, analysts say, was that they did not come in distinctive shapes… http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/business/21hybrid.html?ref=business

Indigo
03-21-2009, 06:46 AM
The $19k/$21k price points certainly come a lot closer to "mainstream affordability" than any other hybrid has. I still remember when GM said that their BAS hybrids were going to be targeting mainstream affordability, but then they charged $3,500 for a system with only $500 worth of parts. The Insight-II seems like the real deal, however.

Right Lane Cruiser
03-21-2009, 10:09 AM
Interesting to note that the Insight-II is selling for almost exactly the sticker price of the original. Back then it was considered too expensive.

My how times have changed.

brick
03-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Well, I think it makes a big difference when you put two more doors and a full compliment of seats in it.

Right Lane Cruiser
03-21-2009, 10:58 AM
True, but the average price of vehicles has risen, too. Suddenly $20K is "affordable."

ksstathead
03-21-2009, 11:18 AM
True, but the average price of vehicles has risen, too. Suddenly $20K is "affordable."

In the automotive media, yes. On dealer lots, not so much, apparently...

Harold
03-21-2009, 12:07 PM
I watched my first Insight commercial on the tube yesterday! Pushing it as the affordable Hybrid. Good add. Hal

abcdpeterson
03-21-2009, 01:11 PM
In the automotive media, yes. On dealer lots, not so much, apparently...

Ya, 20k is still out of my reach.
My wife's car died last week. I knew the Insite is almost here, but we could not find a way to fit in into budget.

My wife wanted to replace her Subaru with a Subaru but she brought up the subject of a Hybrid for me and she would take my car. No luck, we could not find a way easily fit it into the budget.
She got a 2000 outback. epa22/27. and i will continue to watch and dream.

Harold
03-21-2009, 09:34 PM
Some good deals on HCH 2 [Civic hybrid] Have you checked them out Allen. More car than the Insight and very reliable transpertation. I have not touched my 2006 other than oil and filter!Hal

philmcneal
03-22-2009, 12:12 PM
yeah at this rate used hch II looks like a better deal than new insights, or used 2004 prius. The cost of economics and depreciation just doesn't fare well with the recession and job losses people are experiencing.

In honest opinion who would win in a mpg battle on the highway? HCH II, insight or prius II?

Right Lane Cruiser
03-22-2009, 12:54 PM
The HCH-II -- simply because it has taller gearing than the HI-II. The Prius simply can't compete at higher speeds.



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