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xcel
09-10-2006, 01:10 AM
Demand for subcompact already eclipsing supply. (http://www.dispatch.com/business-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/09/08/20060908-G1-02.html)

Paul Wilson – Columbus Dispatch – Sept. 8, 2006

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Even if the Fit’s FE is below that of the Civic, high gasoline prices are still a key reason for its popularity.

Want to buy a Honda Fit? Be prepared to wait at least a few months.

With gasoline prices sparking interest, auto dealers in Columbus are having a tough time keeping Honda’s new five-seater in stock five months after its U.S. debut.

"I expected the demand," said Don Smith, general manager of Hugh White Honda. "The problem is, we’re not getting Fits in as fast."

Honda originally wanted to sell 50,000 to 60,000 Fits in the United States during the model year that started in April but since has dropped that to 40,000, said Christie Schweinsberg, associate editor at Ward’s Automotive Reports.

"They realized they weren’t going to have enough."

Honda, knowing smaller vehicles are more popular overseas, has been steering more subcompacts to Asia and Europe, where the Fit is called the Jazz, Schweinsberg said.

Honda has five North American assembly plants, including two in central Ohio, but the hatchbacks are built only in Japan. Honda knows the Fit is popular in the United States and will make sure more are available in the coming years, said Sage Marie, Honda spokesman.

"Certainly, demand is outstripping our initial projections," he said. "That being said, there will be more Fits."

Honda announced plans this summer to build an assembly plant in Greensburg, Ind., that will begin producing vehicles in 2008. Regardless of whether the Fit is built there, the extra capacity is likely to free up production space for the Fit at one of Honda’s other U.S. plants.

Schweinsberg said it’s hard to blame Honda for underestimating the U.S. demand for the Fit. She said no one could have predicted such severe gasolineprice increases.

"The popularity of (the Fit) is a function of what is going on in the world that really hadn’t gelled a year ago," Marie said.

The Fit also is popular because of its features and its reputation as a "very zippy" car, Schweinsberg said. It and other new subcompacts aren’t the stripped-down fuel-economy cars of 25 years ago, and that difference has helped stoke demand.

After a few months, Belinda and Kirk Paisley of Granville gave up on trying to buy a Fit. They bought a Pontiac Vibe this week instead.

"The situation forced us to look at other alternatives," Belinda Paisley said. "We’ve always liked Hondas, but my initial reaction is we like (the Vibe) better."

Anthony Schmidt of Mansfield bought a Fit not long after the car hit showrooms this spring. He traded in his sports car and improved his gas mileage by about 14 mpg.

"My friends didn’t like me very much at first, but otherwise, everyone pretty much understood," said Schmidt, who is working to start a regional Fit owners club. "And it’s very comfortable. That surprised me. I’m pretty tall. But when you’re sitting in it, there’s plenty of room above my head."

The Fit gets 38 mpg on highways, which actually is slightly lower than Honda’s Civic. With that in mind, the Fit’s popularity might not be rooted only in fuel economy, said Jim Erwin, sales manager at Roush Honda.

"People are looking to spend $14,000 to $16,000, and maybe those Honda buyers in the past had to settle for a Korean car," Erwin said. Fit buyers have ranged from new college graduates to families who want a "get-around car" in addition to a larger vehicle for trips, he said.

Even if the Fit’s fuel economy is slightly below that of the Civic, high gasoline prices are still a key reason for the hatchback’s popularity, Schweinsberg said.

"A lot of people don’t compare fuel economy," she said. "A lot of people go into a showroom and say, ‘There’s a small car. I want to save money on gas.’"

Sledge
09-10-2006, 06:31 AM
The Fit is go...ing to be a 2 month wait :D

tigerhonaker
09-10-2006, 09:35 AM
The Honda Fit is one very sharp looking sub compact car. It in person really looks great and you can get it with modern conveniences unlike the Insight that is gone after this Year.

For those that own the Insight that is not a "Slam" on the car. It is just to say the Fit is much more modern with more room and additional adds to make it more comfortable. As we all know here the Insight will remain the {FE-Champ} as it was designed to be from Honda.

Terry (tiger)

AshenGrey
09-10-2006, 10:34 AM
of course, the Insight hasn't been refreshed since 1999, which is why the styling compares poorly to the FIT. But you can't really go wrong buying a Honda no matter what model you choose.

Car dealers are their own worst enemy. I almost bought a FIT a few weeks ago, but the dealer sold the car he had allegedly reserved for me. then if wanted a $500 reservation fee to get one in November. right.

tigerhonaker
09-10-2006, 04:05 PM
of course, the Insight hasn't been refreshed since 1999, which is why the styling compares poorly to the FIT. But you can't really go wrong buying a Honda no matter what model you choose.

Car dealers are their own worst enemy. I almost bought a FIT a few weeks ago, but the dealer sold the car he had allegedly reserved for me. then if wanted a $500 reservation fee to get one in November. right.

Yeah I have been there already with a Honda dealer that had an Insight Special ordered for me and they sold it to another guy that flew in an bought it. Car dealers work extremely Hard (IMO) to get the Much-Deserved-Reputation they have.

Terry (tiger)

philmcneal
09-11-2006, 01:03 AM
ya another car that will be hard to snatch up, apparently in canada the nissan versa has the same reputation as well (since its just 3 weeks old) the only car that you might be able to swing lower than msrp is the yaris but unfortnately even with its excellent FE tributes it does not have what I need in a car ;)

antrey
09-11-2006, 10:01 AM
The Versa is significantly less efficient than the Fit & Yaris. The problem I have with the Yaris is that it is not available as a 4 door hatch in the U.S. and does not have a tachometer. The tachometer issue would be easily resolved with a scan gage mounted behind the steering wheel however.

If I could find a base model fit at any of the 3 dealers in my area, I might be considering a trade. Two of the dealers currently have zero fits and the third only has a top of the line auto sport model. The few units that have been at dealers for a couple of days have all been top of the line sport models.

brick
09-11-2006, 10:12 AM
I keep hearing that basically nobody can find a Fit with a manual trans. For whatever reason, Honda didn't import nearly enough of them to keep up with demand.

xcel
09-11-2006, 01:50 PM
Hi All:

___Honda is playing the supply game just as Toyota has with the Prius II. Bring in a halo car that is less profitable and hold back inventory so that we the consumer will be either taking what they have at MSRP and MSRP + type non-sense, not own them, or purchase something else on off the lot. I would say Honda is doing the latter just as Toyota does?

___From initial reports, Honda was to supply 50,000 Fit’s for this model years US consumption.

Honda Fit month of sale|Individual month total sales|Sales YTD
April|3,792|3,792
May|5,248|9,040
June|3,747|12,787
July|3,135|15,922
August|2,394|18,316

___In August, they sold all of 2,394 Fit’s. Doing the math shows they are pulling back on the reigns instead of letting them go. I think Honda makes more profit on the Accords and Civic’s and thus the dwindling supply of Fit’s as time moves on.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

andy
09-11-2006, 02:48 PM
Wayne's got it right. Don't buy into the hype on ANY car. VW TDI's are HOT cars (at least they were until this huge gas/diesel price disparity). Dealers will hype their cars, put you on wait lists, etc.

My advice from personal experience is first: DO NOT BUY A CAR THAT YOU CANNOT TEST DRIVE FIRST!!!

If there are none on the lot that you can test drive, wait until they get some in, or pick something else. I went through this hype with our 2002 Honda Odyssey Van. Not a single van on ANY lot that you could even look at. They had a waiting list that you could get on for $500. Oh, and by the way, you ARE going to pay MSRP and that's a deal because other dealers are tacking on $2000-$3000 premiums. They also promised when the next one came into the dealership, they would call and let me come LOOK at it (which they never did).

So, I plunked down the $500 and took it in the rear :D .

My second advice: DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!

In the end it's just a car, and you WILL regret later spending the premium you pay because you bought at the top of the market. Slow down, let the market settle out for a year or so, and you will be able to walk into the dealership and save thousands of $$$.

Don't get emotional about buying a Fit or any other car for that matter. I mean really, are we losing our collective minds going gaga over an econo-box?! It doesn't even get THAT great of gas mileage. My van is nothing special after 4 years of owning it, and I wish I had those thousands still in the bank.

Andy

tigerhonaker
09-11-2006, 06:11 PM
Interesting post Andy. Sounds like both of us have been there and I have more than 1-Tee-Shirt to Prove-It. ;)

Terry (tiger)

philmcneal
09-12-2006, 01:27 AM
well said andy, that's why i'm trying to like my car as much as possible even though deep down inside there's a sweeter ride for me to get my mpg game on.

as for the versa, its not as efficent however with us hypermilers that can be proven wrong ;) (people on the nissanversa.org forums with the 6spd are scoring mid/high 30's and they are't even fasing!) i'm just iky about the mexican labor not that I have anything agaist them however, I know their working conditions are never the greatest, and when corners are cut those cuts will evenually be routed back to the consumer.

HyChi
09-12-2006, 06:06 AM
A client of mine tried to order a manual Fit back in late May/early June. He was told it would be six weeks. 8 weeks later, after many, many phone calls and ZERO information he was told that they were not making any more manual transmission Fits for the US market as all capacity was being focused on automatics. So, after 2 months of waiting for a car that would never come he purchased a manual Versa the day it arrived at another dealership. He is very happy with his new car.

antrey
09-12-2006, 07:36 PM
i'm just iky about the mexican labor not that I have anything agaist them however, I know their working conditions are never the greatest, and when corners are cut those cuts will evenually be routed back to the consumer.

I wouldn't worry about where the Versa is made. The Japanese have proven time and time again that they can top high quality vehicles in any part of the world. It's more about proper training and manufacturing methodologies than local culture. As part of my job I work with plants in Alabama, Michigan, and Mexico and I can tell you that the Mexican plants usually have better quality than the American plants. Alot of it has to do with newer equipment and plants that were set up from scratch much more recently than the ancient plants in the U.S. Mexicans also tend to have a pretty good work ethic and are less restricted by unreasonable union contracts.



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