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I've thought about selling my 2001 Accord and getting a 2007 HAH. The accord hybrid didn't sell very well, and people talked about small f/e gains. Still, they look cheap now... Why shouldn't I get one? Any non-binding advice?

Hi Justin:

___If the I4 is less expensive (it is), purchase that instead if you really need an Accord. Consider $5.00 or more per gallon gasoline before you do however. Being stuck with a 45 + mpg Accord when fuel is that high is not the ideal solution no matter how anyone wants to justify it.

___In my summer time week with an AH, it allowed 49 mpg IIRC (turned out to be 51.x mpg). Any given week with the Accord I4 allows 55 + on average in similar conditions using similar techniques.

___A real fuel miser to consider would be an 03 – 05 HCH-I with a stick. Nothing is going to touch it on the highway but an Insight.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I met a lady last summer who drove her HAH from Boulder, CO to Chaco Culture National Historic Park NM. She claimed 60 mpg, and I don't doubt she got it, as she worked for the Sierra Club.

Hi Sentra SE-R:

___Best of my week with the AH...

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/504/Jun_07_2005_60_3_mpg_Record_Run.jpg

___Final FE from top off to close to 0 miles DTE and top off following was 890 some miles and 49.x (turned out to be even better at 51.x mpg) mpg IIRC.

___The less expensive and less problem prone I4 will allow another 10 plus % on top of that.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Hi All:

___I found the AH week long drive write-up from June 5 – 9th, 2005

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Best segment from a hybrid or non-hybrid Accord yet?

Hi All:

___A relatively high speed run from work tonight in GreenAndBlue’s AH. 85 - 93 degree temps, 10 - 15 mph tail winds for 20% of the trip and that same wind although now murderous from the side for the other 80% :( 2 traffic jams worth maybe 3 to 4 miles of stop and go and she still allowed me this! I held 54.6 mpg all the way to almost O’Hare and simply cringed watching the FE slowly bleed away those last 30 miles. It would be a huge mistake if I failed to mention that this is a very nice car :D

___4 more days to go. May the weatherman be kind and please change the direction of this hellish wind by ~ 45 degrees … In my favor of course ;)

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Hit the mark but with a 15 mph flying start :(

Hi All:

___From work to my reset point, I was at 58.x mpg with a great 10 mph tail wind. I tried to save on the fly the current display over my morning 55.0 mpg - 93 mile run. I lost both the history and the TC data as that plan blew up in my face. As I have seen in my non-hybrid Accord, never reset the NAVI’s TC just before, during, or after a reboot and do not reboot to fast or the ICE will still be running and your TC’s data is toast. In this case, I lost both :angry:

___After the reset at Rt. 83, I was maintaining a 65.x mpg from the climb and crawl into a backup at the I-55/I-294 toll booth. Once back up to speed on I-294, 66.x - 67.x mpg was showing all the way until the O’Hare climb on the South side of the Airport. From that point, traffic was a mix of 65 mph to 30 mph with nothing smooth in between and I dropped from 67.x to 63.2 while traversing this 7 miles of hell. Just past Half Day, the winds shifted from a tail wind at ~ 10 mph to an ~ 10 mph side wind from the east and I started losing mileage fast with traffic speeding up to 65 and slowing back down to 30 time and time again :( I was bouncing between 59.9 and 60.3 from Rt. 137 all the way to the Gurnee Mills Mall. The Rt. 132 off-ramp has been a parking lot the last 2 days so there was no chance to use that as a springboard to shoot her back up to 60.7 mpg. I lost the 60.3 at the entrance of my sub and recovered it on the autostop into my drive. That was close!

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/504/Jun_07_2005_60_3_mpg_Record_Run.jpg

___Just 6 more attempts to go. This was not a sustainable run given the warm and flying start and changing conditions unfortunately :( I will be leaving work ~ ½ hour earlier over the next 3 days which I hope will improve the traffic situation and at least make it a more natural hypermiling drive instead of a battle against the surroundings and the ever present game gauge. Who knows what the winds will be like? This is Chicago after all ;)

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Approaching the end of my week with the AH …

Hi All:

___Just a so so day … Not the perfect traffic pattern given a lot of 30 - 65 and back to 30 stuff but not bad either. Actually, I only had 1 full dead stop on the way out and only 2 on the way home this evening. Little wind to speak of as well … I hit the I-55/I-294 toll booth coming home at 54.6 mpg and had 55.8 showing all the way up to the O’Hare climb. A bit past Dempster on I-294 and it started to downpour for ~ 4 miles which dropped her all the way back to 53.2 mpg. I fought to get her back up and pulled into the drive with the same 54.6 showing as was attained 47 miles previous. Probably a good 55.4/55.6 mpg average if it was not for the few miles of heavy rain? Morning commutes have been driven in temps ranging from ~ 69 - 78 degrees and afternoons from the mid 90’s down to a low of 82 degrees F. We are losing the weather front so I do not think I will receive a strong tail wind like yesterday’s wild shorted segment home in this excellent AH ever again :(

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Hi Mark:

___I will have your AH filled minus a round trip by Friday afternoon if that is ok with you? I will have to fill up tomorrow afternoon as I only have another 150 + miles of range or so now. She has provided me with some spectacular runs per the NAVI TC :D :D :D but now we shall see what the calc’s are at the pump? I am not sure I reset Trip A before we started, or after our Sunday attempt but I thought it was at the Shell station? I am hoping you still have the Shell fill Odometer numbers in your phone or in a spread sheet at home? Currently your AH is showing 10,637 on the ODO and 689.3 miles per Trip A? With a 50 + mpg average over the last 680 + miles, it might have pushed your AH into hypermiler status? Just a thought ;) I will attempt to push your AH to a 900 mile tank but I am not sure given I do not really know if your tank holds 19.1 + gallons with the top off like the PZEV and if that 689.3 miles is the actual since we filled her up on Sunday afternoon?

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Hi All:

___This mornings commute in showed 52.7 mpg per the NAVI TC. Hardly worth a pic anymore ;) I filled her up this afternoon at a Shell in Wilmington, Illinois. I did not know the initial as GreenAndBlue took the initial when we filled up on Sunday? He PM’ed me this afternoon which was too late for me to push her past 900 miles since I had no idea where she started out at? Initial: 9860 miles // Final: 10,743 miles. 883 miles on 17.293 gallons = 51.06 mpg from top off to top off. The small Trip Averaging meter showed 50.6 mpg. The NAVI’s TC is probably a tad optimistic showing ~ 2 mpg over if I were to average all the segments that I saw day after day? I still had 6 miles of range per the TC and was just 70 miles into the Low Fuel light on this last segment when pulling into the Shell station. She is easily good for 110 + past low fuel and 30 + past --- Range when hypermiling. If I knew I was that close, I would have pushed her past 900. With this tank, she is just under the hypermileage lmpg average of 33.0. After her final drink tomorrow afternoon, she might just see 33.0 lmpg? Friday afternoon commutes mean massive traffic tie jams unfortunately :angry: I will try and get out a bit early to beat the Chicago nightmare but don’t tell anybody ;)

___Tonight’s drive home in 84 - 93 degree temps and no wind yielded 55.0 mpg as she sits in the drive. I hit 50 mpg just 9 miles from the gas station and 55.0 about 30 miles out and was sitting at 55.3 mpg at the I-55/I-294 toll booth. I was experimenting with A/C a bit more but it is just too hard under VCM on the FE. I received ~ the same losses through the O’Hare climb and the up, down speeds from Lake Cook to Rt. 137. Not bad but the average speed was a bit below what I have been averaging also …

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___Good Luck

___Wayne

Thanks for the education, Wayne. I agree, it seems pretty unlikely she could have beaten your top hypermiler efforts without a good tailwind (which she may have had, in that area). There's also an 800' elevation gain for her drive.

Plus the HAH is a perfomance hybrid with a V-6 and Old-School IMA, no EV-Glide no EV driving for getting over a moon shot. And A V6

The I4 Accord is setup for great FE and costs less to mantain.

If someone was trying to decide between the V6 and the IMA and those were my only to options to get them into, I'd put them in the HAH, if they opened it up a bit I'd put them in something that could handel their needs and $5 gas with surplus.

Wayne:
That's quite a high average speed ;) The only time my SG doesn't say 31 or so is when I have an all highway segment like when I re-fueled in IN on the way to IL from SC. The first segment reported a whopping 40mph. The segment after the pit stop but before the snow and windstorm was 51. Target on that trip was actually 55.

Kacey, that was along Wayne's old work commute -- about 75mi of which was straight highway driving IIRC. That was one-way, too!

Restating the above, but a 4cyl MT Accord gets very nearly the same mpg as a HAH for far less money.

What's wrong with the accord hybrid?



It wasn't the coupe!

- Offer in a visually unique coupe body style
- Mate the IMA to an engine pushing 300 hp+
- Add in Acura SH-AWD

= Win

Wow, you guys really answered my question (especially Wayne). My 2001 Accord has had some tanks over 40mpg, but that is really working it. I'd be surprised if I could ever get it to 50mpg. I'll have to try though won't I!!!

-Justin

Wow, you guys really answered my question (especially Wayne). My 2001 Accord has had some tanks over 40mpg, but that is really working it. I'd be surprised if I could ever get it to 50mpg. I'll have to try though won't I!!!

-Justin

Wow. What size engine does the Accord have? Is it a 2.4L? Either way, Honda engines are probably way better than the Mitsubishi POS engine I have that cruises at only 45 MPG on a 105 degree afternoon at ~50 MPH, and that's the MAXIMUM cruising MPG.

more recent accords do use the 2.4

What's wrong with the accord hybrid?



It wasn't the coupe!

- Offer in a visually unique coupe body style
- Mate the IMA to an engine pushing 300 hp+
- Add in Acura SH-AWD

= Win


Actually, given what they were trying to do with the Accord Hybrid, I didn't understand why they didn't make it an Acura TSX Hybrid instead. If you're charging a premium price, give the customer a premium brand (such as it is.)

Yep, My Accord has a 2.4L. It will occasionally cruise at a little over 50mph while getting 50ish mpg. It is quite rare though. I have to do quite a lot of EOC (P&G) to achieve 41 or 42.