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xcel
02-02-2009, 01:31 AM
Can Chevrolet's Volt Do What Dodge's Viper Once Did for Chrysler? (online.wsj.com/article/SB123335176632734705.html)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Production_Exterior_of_the_2011_Chevroelt_Volt.jpgJoseph White – WSJ (wallstreetjournal.com) – Feb. 2, 2009

2011 Chevrolet Volt – 40 miles AER and Green as grass.

Question is, will GM last long enough to produce them? -- Ed.

When Chrysler got into trouble during the early 1990s, the company reached into its bag of tricks and produced an outrageous car called the Dodge Viper.

The Viper was an in-your-face concept by Detroit of an exotic sports car. The exterior appearance aped the stance and attitude of a 1960s Shelby Cobra race car fortified with a large bottle of steroid pills. Under the hood was a modified V-10 truck engine. Launching the Viper made absolutely no business sense in the context of the sour economy of that time. But it did call attention to the company, and sent the world a message that Chrysler was not dead, yet... It's a classic "halo car" -- a vehicle designed and built for the sole purpose of calling attention to a company or a brand...

New halo cars will likely attract attention with clean drivetrains. Old halo cars borrowed their looks from classic designs of the auto industry's fossil-fuel chugging past. New halo cars will seek inspiration from consumer electronics and communications technology.

GM's Vice Chairman for Product Development Bob Lutz is an emblem of this change. Mr. Lutz championed the Viper -- and horsepower in general -- during his years at Chrysler, and used to dismiss hybrid cars as expensive money losers that didn't return enough in fuel-cost savings to consumers to cover the additional price of the electric power system.

Then Mr. Lutz and his colleagues saw that Toyota was getting an enormous reputation boost out of its high-mileage Prius hybrid that transcended practical considerations such as profit per vehicle or out-of-pocket costs to the buyer. In other words, the Prius is a halo car -- different from the Viper but not so different in intent or impact. Now, Mr. Lutz is a driving force behind the development of the Chevrolet Volt at GM, an electric car with a small gasoline engine for backup power… http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123335176632734705.html

Indigo
02-02-2009, 06:27 AM
I don't see the Volt as a halo car. The Volt is a car that is never going to be built at all. It *could* be a decent halo vehicle if GM had intended to produce it. However, now that the company is getting paid off the taxpayer's backs, it'll be pretty much bad business as usual at GM. I'm just not going to be surprised at all on the day I read the story headline "GM Sells Volt Patents to Saudi Royal Family". It's just a matter of time.

Right Lane Cruiser
02-02-2009, 07:44 AM
Indigo, why are you so incredibly convinced that the Volt will never see the showroom? GM hasn't made the best choices over the last few decades but they know when they are in danger of going under. The Volt is no stunt.

chibougamoo
02-02-2009, 09:52 AM
"GM's Vice Chairman for Product Development Bob Lutz is an emblem of this change."

Lutz? 505-horsepower, 7-liter V-8 Lutz??

Just look at the banner ad that popped up at the top of this article --- 323 hp Sierra "Hybrid" Pick-up --- now THAT's the Lutz I've come to know and love. Not the pppphhvvvvvVVOLTtttzzzzz ... (thud) Lutz.

The EV1 is dead; long live the EV2 (but don't count on it)

Indigo
02-02-2009, 10:11 AM
E.xactly. i just don't buy the idea that the same guy who killed the EV1 and sold the patents to the Saudi family, and who has dismissed hybrids out of hand for ten years as "over-priced money-losers" is suddenly going to start making a rock-solid hybrid. I believe he intends on making money on the e-flex patents -- but not by selling the design in cars. I picture Lutz holding a private auction with the OPEC members for who will pay the most in billions of dollars to buy the patents from GM and thus kill the design. That's how I think Lutz plans on making money on the Volt.


"GM's Vice Chairman for Product Development Bob Lutz is an emblem of this change."

Lutz? 505-horsepower, 7-liter V-8 Lutz??

Just look at the banner ad that popped up at the top of this article --- 323 hp Sierra "Hybrid" Pick-up --- now THAT's the Lutz I've come to know and love. Not the pppphhvvvvvVVOLTtttzzzzz ... (thud) Lutz.

The EV1 is dead; long live the EV2 (but don't count on it)

ksstathead
02-02-2009, 10:28 AM
GM will build the Volt with much fanfare, but fail to translate the tech to affordable mass-market cars. Then once again claim there is no market for EV tech. Then whither and die right behind Chrysler.

Right Lane Cruiser
02-02-2009, 10:29 AM
That's an interesting (if jaded) view, but how can GM survive without putting vehicles into customers' hands? Their future depends upon advanced, FE architectures and this is their only iron in the fire. They may die before completing the effort but they know this is their one chance. Especially since they are now operating entirely off of "grant money" that requires they produce exactly what the Volt promises.

We may never see the car in showrooms but I doubt it will be from lack of trying on GM's part.

ksstathead
02-02-2009, 11:21 AM
Call me a jaded former Chevy man.

Right Lane Cruiser
02-02-2009, 01:33 PM
Actually, that reply was intended for Indigo -- since he doesn't believe the Volt will be built at all. :)

You may be right about the tech being shoved into niche application. I haven't figured out yet whether GM really understands how this has to go for them to be successful again, but all indications are that they actually intend to sell it. Their cost estimates are stupidly high, but they are bringing it to us if they survive that long.



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