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xcel
09-26-2008, 11:21 AM
Democrats said the same was true of the conservatives' plan. It calls for tax cuts and insurance provisions the majority party will not accept. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-ap-financial-meltdown,0,455671.story)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Congress.jpgCharles Babington - AP - Sept. 26, 2008

Congress in its not so finest hour.

Republicans asking for tax cuts and insurance company guarantees… :mad: -- Ed.

WASHINGTON - President Bush scrambled Friday to bring rebellious members of his own party behind a $700 billion-dollar government bailout of the financial system amid bitter political recriminations from both Democrats and Republicans over collapsed negotiations.

Bush delivered a terse statement from outside the Oval Office of the White House, acknowledging that lawmakers have a right to express their doubts and work through disagreements, but declaring they must "rise to the occasion" and approve a plan to avert an economic meltdown.

"There are disagreements over aspects of the rescue plan," he said, "but there is no disagreement that something substantial must be done. We are going to get a package passed."

On Wall Street, the level of institutional nervousness was palpable, especially after Washington Mutual Inc. became the largest U.S. bank to fail. The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 100 points, while fears of a deepening economic crisis fed safe-haven buying in Treasury notes.

Earlier Friday, House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank declared that an agreement depends on House Republicans "dropping this revolt" against the Bush-requested plan.

The Massachusetts Democrat said leading Democrats on Capitol Hill were shocked by the level of divisiveness that surfaced at Thursday's extraordinary White House meeting, leaving six days of intensive efforts to agree on a bailout plan in tatters only hours after key congressional players of both parties had declared they were in accord on the outlines of a $700 billion bill…

Participants in a meeting late Thursday afternoon that Bush had at the White House with congressional leaders, McCain and Obama said that it descended into arguments. Disagreements were so deep-seated that some lawmakers wondered aloud just who — and how many — would show up for the resumption of talks, presumably Friday morning, at the Capitol.

"I didn't know I was going to be the referee for an internal GOP ideological civil war," Frank, D-Mass., said on CBS's "The Early Show."

Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican, said many GOP lawmakers dislike the proposal that has been pushed on the administration's behalf principally by Paulson. "Basically, I believe the Paulson proposal is badly structured," he said. "It does nothing basically for the stressed mortgage payer. It does a lot for three or four or five banks. ... " http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-ap-financial-meltdown,0,455671.story

ascribe2thelord
09-26-2008, 12:02 PM
Hopefully I am not the only person here who thinks spending $700 billion of taxpayer money on bad debt is a bad idea.

Bush wanted pure and unadulterated capitalism, and he got it. Our "leading" economists said that greed and $100 million CEO Christmas bonuses was good. Well, pure and unadulterated (unregulated) capitalism means you learn from your mistakes the hard way.

ALS
09-26-2008, 12:40 PM
It's a bad deal for the tax payer and everyone knows it. The House Republicans said they are not behind and never will unless there is major changes.
The Democrat's can pass this bill with no need for the house Republicans.
They want it to be bipartisan so if it blows up in there faces they can say that both sides were on board.
Since the house Republicans will not fall for the bait the democrats and Bush are between a rock and a hard place. This is a bail out for all the fat cats on Wall street. Paulson is a Goldman Sachs Democrat who has been feeding Obama information one to three days before he briefs McCain. Obama lost it in that meeting yesterday. He was Emailed the House Republican proposal while in route from someone at Goldman Sachs.
WTF is Goldman Sachs doing with the Republican proposal unless it was leaked from the Treasury. Someone in the Treasury needs to be fired today.

Like Rush said today if this Bill is so great then why don't the Democrat's pass it with out the house Republicans and take all the GLORY.

Because there is no glory with this bill.

PaleMelanesian
09-26-2008, 12:45 PM
$6,000 of MY money, to reward some people for making colossal mistakes? No thank you! I hope Bush's striving fails.

($7B / 116 million households in the usa as of 2006)

koreberg
09-26-2008, 05:08 PM
"Additionally, Obama said earlier in the week he hoped Democrats would not press a proposal giving bankruptcy judges the power to ease mortgage terms for homeowners."

So who the hell are we bailing out if not the people who are having problems meeting their mortgages. The fat cats on wallstreet don't need our help they still have millions from salaries and golden parachutes.

@ALS

Rush is full of crap, and if you don't know it i'm sorry.

Who asked for 700 billion from us humble americans? Bush
What party is he part of? Republican

Who asked congress for the money and presented the plan?Paulson
What party is he part of? Democrat
Who nominated him to his post? Bush
What party was in control during the nomination? 2006 June Republicans 55 44 1
Why Goldman Sachs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs) and not some other firms? Because Paulson worked for them for 34 years before being nominated by Bush.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paulson
Honestly would bush really put in a bleeding heart liberal to be in control of the corner stone area of the republican doctrine, money and capitalism. While republicans had a majority in congress? Votes don't happen until November so Republicans still had control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2004
All the other bailouts stripped execs of their loot, why does this bailout let them keep it?

Who has stated their support for the bill? McCain
What party is he running under? Republican
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/23/politics/main4472209.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4472209
What changed his mind? His ratings dropping like a lead ballon (which actually can float if built properly)
What are the stalling tactics for? To make it look like he has contributed something meainingful to the solution to help his raitings.
What will the outcome be? Very similar to the inital proposal he just wants his name on some changes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/at-white-house-mccain-pla_n_129438.html

It is so simple follow the money.
Social Security=Liberal Plan Money goes to low income.
Medicare/Medicaid=Liberal Plan Money goes to low income.
These are social programs, socialism is for the people, this is a left principal.

This plan gives money from the tax payers (poor) to the goldman sacs and other investment firms (rich).
Government maintains some control over the company but the companies keep their profits. This is fascism a right wing principal.

I know cognitive dissonance tells you that fascists are leftist too because Rush calls all the liberals nazis and fascists. But using a term incorrectly to put down someone else, doesn't all of a sudden change the meaning of the term. I could call you a terrorist, does that all of a sudden mean all hypermilers are terrorists?

If this was really a socialist left wing plan, the money would go to the home owners to help them pay their mortgages which would then prop up the bad debt because it would be covered by taxes. It is the other way around it is a right wing plan.

Having said all that, I vote to let the chips fall where they may, and we use the 700 billion to clean up the mess afterwords.

mparrish
09-26-2008, 05:19 PM
Paulson is a Goldman Sachs Democrat who has been feeding Obama information one to three days before he briefs McCain.

Facts are indeed stupid things.

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=paulson&fname=henry&search=Search

$2000 from Paulson to Bush in 2004

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=emp&employer=GOLDMAN%2C+SACHS+%26+COMPANY

$146,600 from 82 GS employees to Republican candidates
$0 from 0 GS employees to Democratic candidates



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