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shifty35
07-30-2008, 03:25 PM
Hey everyone!

About a month ago while crawling through a horrible slog caused by an overturned tanker (interstate shut down!) in some nasty summer heat, I managed to finally pop an IMA light. The car had exhibited recal behavior at about 2/3 SoC ever since I bought it, although I was fairly adept at keeping the pack topped off.

Honda replaced the battery and control modules no questions asked. All the previous recalls had already been performed, including the ECU replacements.

I now find that the SoC management routines are very, very different than what I was used to. The new pack has very nice, strong assist and recharges much faster under regen than the old toast pack.

The differences:

The old control method used to use a lot of hidden regen. While cruising along the highway at usual 50-60 mph speeds, the pack would slowly come up to one bar short of full while showing no bars of regen.

This doesn't happen anymore. It will happily cruise along, 2-10 bars down, and stay there with no intention of recharging. Normally my commute would result in quickly refilling any SoC lost the day before, but no more.

When the SoC drops to about 1/3 (the bottom of the battery icon) I get 2-3 bars of forced charge while lightly accelerating or cruising. This rapidly brings the charge back up to 2/3, where the forced charge is canceled. The only way to refill the top 1/3 is through braking regen, which I rarely have an opportunity to do - usually coasting to a stop in a FAS.

Thus, my SoC seems to stay between 2/3 and 1/3 full all the time, where it used to park at one bar from the top.

In addition, regen thermally limited (or something like that) much more than before. If attempting to rapidly charge the pack through braking regen, after 5-6 bars, it will not let you regen with the brakes, even when 5-6 bars from full. Very interesting.

Anyone with a new-ish pack notice this type of behavior?

InsightGary
09-01-2008, 11:00 PM
YES! My new pack does essentially the same. I really hate the way the regen works now. On the old system, if you started slowing and regening, when you lost it in 5th,
you could downshift to 3rd and continue regen as you came up to the stoplight. Now, downshift and you lose regen completely, really makes me :mad:
And I am not sure since I changed my profile (don't drive as much) but it seems like the new pack self discharges alot more than the old worn pack. Spend most of my time trying to get it back above half. I am pretty sure it is hurting my MPG.
Gary

xcel
09-01-2008, 11:10 PM
Hi Ben and Gary:

___Install the Clutch mod ASAP if not immediately and never be concerned with the loss of a pack ever again. Garry, especially you given the San Francisco area hills and such.

___Sorry to hear about your pack going away too. I know the pack was never touched until the guy from MA got a hold of it :ccry:

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Right Lane Cruiser
09-02-2008, 07:49 AM
Just a tip that seems to work in my '02 (original pack) -- if you don't get regen when you expect it, tap the gas pedal. If the RPM is not high enough that will sometimes drop me out of DFCO but it always gets me into regen.

lightfoot
09-02-2008, 09:35 AM
The old control method used to use a lot of hidden regen. While cruising along the highway at usual 50-60 mph speeds, the pack would slowly come up to one bar short of full while showing no bars of regen.

One nice thing about MIMA is that the green lights on the display show you what is REALLY going on. Each light is 10A of charge. The dashboard display sometimes lies.


This doesn't happen anymore. It will happily cruise along, 2-10 bars down, and stay there with no intention of recharging. Normally my commute would result in quickly refilling any SoC lost the day before, but no more.

When the SoC drops to about 1/3 (the bottom of the battery icon) I get 2-3 bars of forced charge while lightly accelerating or cruising. This rapidly brings the charge back up to 2/3, where the forced charge is canceled. The only way to refill the top 1/3 is through braking regen, which I rarely have an opportunity to do - usually coasting to a stop in a FAS.

Thus, my SoC seems to stay between 2/3 and 1/3 full all the time, where it used to park at one bar from the top.

My 2006 setup behaves somewhat like this, though it will slowly regen while just driving along. According to Tesla the battery is actually happiest in the middle state?

In addition, regen thermally limited (or something like that) much more than before. If attempting to rapidly charge the pack through braking regen, after 5-6 bars, it will not let you regen with the brakes, even when 5-6 bars from full.

Yes. Once on a hot day I was in the hilly NW part of CT. A long uphill drained the battery, then I regenned it on the following downhill. Then I got on I-84 and a long uphill stretch drained it again. When I got off onto a 2-lane with a long downhill, it refused to regen.

When the battery is full up (all bars lit) it will not regen either. A very weird feeling when you are used to getting regen on decel.

lightfoot
09-02-2008, 09:36 AM
Just a tip that seems to work in my '02 (original pack) -- if you don't get regen when you expect it, tap the gas pedal. If the RPM is not high enough that will sometimes drop me out of DFCO but it always gets me into regen.

Is this when you have just shifted? Because it will not regen then unless you have accelerated a tad in the present gear.

Right Lane Cruiser
09-02-2008, 10:18 AM
John, I typically downshift before dropping out of DFCO and regen will usually continue, though sometimes when I bump start and go directly to DFCO it won't do it unless I tap the gas pedal.

lightfoot
09-02-2008, 11:02 AM
John, I typically downshift before dropping out of DFCO and regen will usually continue, though sometimes when I bump start and go directly to DFCO it won't do it unless I tap the gas pedal.
If you rev-match when you downshift that may be just enough to get it to continue regen. If I downshift while coasting at low speeds it often won't give me regen unless I tap the gas. Which can be annoying if I left the downshift a bit late and am relying on regen to help slow down.

apierpoint
01-02-2009, 12:07 AM
I got my new battery/modules at 109k, and I've noticed a significant drop in my mpg. Now it stays in the 50s, which does not make me a happy driver. And the battery recals about every other day... I'm not thrilled with it.

What is the clutch mod that Wayne is referring to?

Thanks!
Andrea :)

Right Lane Cruiser
01-02-2009, 01:03 AM
Andrea, have a look at the following link and it should answer your questions. :)

Calpod for Dummies (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15708)

Aether glider
01-02-2009, 07:57 PM
I got my new battery/modules at 109k, and I've noticed a significant drop in my mpg. Now it stays in the 50s, which does not make me a happy driver. And the battery recals about every other day... I'm not thrilled with it.

What is the clutch mod that Wayne is referring to?

Thanks!
Andrea :)

Andrea,
if you ever want to sell that insight i'm just 2 hours away with cash!



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