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___An OT thread about one’s pups. I have to say my Golden is one of the most loyal animals I have ever had. When I am at the PC, she is under my chair. I fall asleep on the couch, she lays down at the edge of couch I walk to the bathroom and she lays down next to the door. When I am at the dinner table, she is right there. Of course that one has nothing to do with being loyal :) I take out the garbage, she follows me out and back in again. I go sit in a car to take a pic or two and she wants to hop in. I take a ride and she always wants to come along.

___I am not sure what makes dogs so loyal but thank heaven we have them!

___A tribute to my pup who is laying by my side at this very moment.

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___Good Luck

___Wayne

She's a beautiful dog, Wayne. :) And I agree...I trust our lab and lab mix more than I trust 99.9999999% of people. One can't help but trust a creature that unquestioningly trusts you.

Dogs!

Yea I had to give mine his own post too. Here's Indy! (http://chenzhen.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/obligatory-dog-post/).

Wayne, ChenZhen handsome dogs. Phoebe -9 yo greyhound - is also loyal ,especially to anything that might involve food. She is also an excellent traveler ; much better than my son was before he got too old to travel with his parents (no bitchin' no having to drag along a tv for the video games). She is also a good icebreaker at rest stops.

Thanks,
Charlie

Hi ChenZhen:

___Dog Comment left :)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Doggies :) Beautiful pups... thought I'd share too :)

My two - the sweeter side -

The car barker =

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/mustangtaco/Summer%2008/101_0716-1.jpg


and the good one =

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/mustangtaco/Summer%2008/101_0720-1.jpg

My shiba inu is very naughty when he's left alone. He's too cute to be mad at him for very long.

trevor, who is under the table as i type:

http://livinginoz.smugmug.com/photos/52859638_Rm5qo-S.jpg

and oz, the really BIG dog, who is ridding the pasture of all that useless grass:

http://livinginoz.smugmug.com/photos/273840733_vxQXU-S.jpg

Oh gee.... now I can't resist. I too have one of the velcro dogs. His name is Mouse (Greater Swiss Mountain Dog), and he's 100% Mommy's baby. I'm taking him downtown tonight for some 4th of July outdoor picnics.

Here's some pics of him having fun. He does water rescue, drafting, weight pull, packing, competitive obedience, rally, conformation, and herding.

http://romanreign.com/greaterswissherd1.jpg

In this pic, I sent him out to fetch the boy and the life jacket. The little boy is holding onto his tail. Mouse can bring back up to 3 adults in one go out.
http://romanreign.com/water_8.jpg

And ya know, once gas gets up to 7 bucks a gallon, Mouse is going to have to go back to pulling his own weight around the house. :D JK. I'll just let him drive the car. He's amazing at backing up, but not so good at keeping to the speed limit.
http://romanreign.com/index.27.jpg

Here's my other dog, Basil, lowchen. The breed has been around since the 1600's, but never gained popularity anywhere. France and Germany feud about who first developed the breed. I'm going to side with Germany as the name, Lowchen pronounced luv-hen, means little lion dog in Germany. She's going to the Eukanuba Tournament of Champion show in 2 weeks. If she wins breed, she'll be on Animal Planet sometime in Sept/Oct. She was also on in 2006, and Mouse was on in 2004.

http://romanreign.com/lowchenbasil.jpg

How do you post a full-size picture like this?

--des

I don't have an original picture of the Border Collie/Cocker Spaniel, but this is a pretty good likeness only he was smaller:
http://photocache.petfinder.com/fotos/OH302/OH302.10602440-1-x.jpg

Towards the end, I was calling him "Fozzy Bear" - he was like a shaggy cub with ADD. :D We would put a beach ball and have to remove it after 45 minutes because he would run himself to exhaustion. I don't know if we walked him or he walked us....right before the walk he would make these happy growls.

One day we heard this loud thumb on the back door. When the glass door was opened, he put the baby hummingbird on the step. The bird was fed inside for a couple of days and release....fed for several months.

Got rid of an air gun because he was terrified of it...turns out some kids were taking pot shots at him. :(

He lived to be 14. Kidneys slowed him down the last 18 months

I have several border collies we use for herding the sheep on my farm, 2 great pyrenees that stay with the sheep as guards, and an irish wolfhound and australian shepard that I take trail running with me.

I've got three, a labby (labby's are the best, bar none), a mutt (beagle meets border collie), and a dachshund. All of them were shelter dogs.

http://www.geodesicgrafx.com/dogs/thumper.jpg
http://www.geodesicgrafx.com/dogs/dana.jpg
http://www.geodesicgrafx.com/dogs/blue.jpg

Shelter dogs rule :)

Yep, and what people don't seem to get is that it's easy to find a good pure breed dog, which is what drives most to purchase a dog. The labby and the dachshund are pure breed. We seem to be the home for wardward pets, though. We attract the troubled furry children for some reason. The mutt was abused by some male, and doesn't like most human males for this. The dachshund was kept outside with no shelter for the better part of a year in PA. The labby... well, she seems to have just gotten lost and never found her way home. She's friendly as all get out.

We used to volunteer for shelters in PA. Down in the south... well, we're seen as liberal hippies here. Shelters here seem to be more of a killzone, as opposed to trying to adopt out. Heck, our neighbor's dog was shot because it was in another neighbors yard when we were living in a rental. And this was expected behavior?? This from the same family and picks off birds out of trees "just because". They shoot straight up! I think that tops hobbit's faith in humanity thread ;). The poor dog was shot with birdshot and died in front of our rental. And it was a slow death at that. Try and explain that @#!@# to your kids. The missus wanted to get the heck out of dodge right then and there. That's what clinched our move to our current house.

ophbalance - interesting - many recycled greyhounds are afraid of adult males (harsh treatment at the track of course). Isis , our 1st greyhound , gave adult males a wide birth, but was fine with kids and females. It wasn't so much a size thing , she was ok with big male kids , but not with short males like me. Of course , that never stopped her from bugging me for walks , or going to my side of the room when it thundered . Phoebe on the other hand, thinks she is some sort of long legged beagle, barking and woofing at strangers. Most greyhounds bark once every 3 years whether they need to or not .


Greyhounds are great pets . They are about as close to "she won't bite" as a dog can be , no odor, housebroken on arrival , rarely bark, and won't bite the neighbors kids. Many are cat ok also (we have 4 cats).

Handsome dogs also - and the recycled ones don't have the genetic problems many tallish breeds have. I'm guessing that there is enough genetic diversity that they don't have to inbreed as much . Many of the biggish breeds were inbred -fairly recently, last 30 years - for size , so they have accumulated lots genes for negative traits (hip problems) that must be "close" to the "size" traits on the DNA strands. Idiots want 100 lb Dobermans , German Shepards etc .When I was a kid-50's-60's a big German Shepard weighed 70 lbs or so.

Mixed breeds are almost always hearty dogs - no inbred problems. Labs are hard to beat of course , and a mixed lab is a great dog.

Charlie

Actually, mixed breeds are just as unhealthy as purebred dogs. There's no such thing as "hybrid vigor" in dogs. It's just a myth. Health problems in mixed breeds aren't highlighted like they are in purebred dogs. Nor do people bother to keep track of health problems of mixed breeds. All those "poodle-mix" dogs are just as unhealthy as any other dog. And they are not hypoallergenic. People typically have allergies to pet dander. Breeds that don't shed as much still have dander. Breeds with hair as opposed to fur have less dander, but they still have it nonetheless.

There are MANY very healthy purebred dogs. The breeds aren't ruined by people who are are out of make a quick buck on puppies. Just about any breed that has been featured in movies have been destroyed in my opinion. Dalmatians, Cocker Spaniels, Schnauzers, Goldens.....

Also, many dogs are afraid of men, not necessarily through abuse or harsh treatment. It's just like some people are afraid of clowns. They've never been abused by clowns, but they just don't like them. Dogs without proper socialization (even with sometimes) will be afraid of certain things. Being afraid does not necessarily equate to poor treatment.

Pookiesoup, . A mixed breed ,especially an "accidental" mix of like sized dogs, is less likely to have the genetic problems that many purebreds have. It could hardly be otherwise.

I'll pass on the clowns ; Austin must be a heck of a place if the clowns inspire fear!!


"The breeds aren't ruined by people out to make a buck on puppies." What ?? You mean the opposite - are instead of aren't ??


Uhhhh, good to know about the poodle mixes ; I'll make a note of that. "Hybrid Poodles cause runny noses." Just kidding!

Charlie

"The breeds aren't ruined by people out to make a buck on puppies." What ?? You mean the opposite - are instead of aren't ??

I have a suspicion that greyhounds might have genetic problems, but we never see it in the recycled ones . The breeders kill their mistakes. Maybe they are careful in their breeding?

Not meaning to start a fight , but mutts just don't have the genetic problems of many pures. Otherwise ,I suspect they are about equally healthy . Of course many of the big breed pures have short lifespans ; I'm not sure of the why on that.

Charlie-

You're talking mixed breeds as in mutts. Friendly, sturdy, and so forth.

PookieSoup is talking like all mixed breeds are "designer dogs", which is like combining a puppymill with a clothing boutique.

I only owned one purebred (lhasa Apso) and he died young. Reult of bad breeding, lots of congenital as well as psychological issues... I think he may have been puppy mill, but I don't know for sure... I was a little kid... all my adult life dogs have been mutts, and so far, small vet bills (except one surgery in my mutt that had one purebred parent - Great Pyr and it was an issue that is a common defect for the breed)

I think accidental mutts, especially those that are very diluted mutts, stand a better chance at avoiding chronic issues rather than ill bred purebreds (meaning ones not from a reputable breeder) But that is just my limited experience... I know a few pretty healthy purebreds too... including a 13 year old dalmation)

i'm in favor of humane society pets, also. i have had two chessies, one of whom lived to be 14. trevor is 10-1/2. they both came from the humane society. the both had bad hips, trevors to the point of having dysplasia surgery on both right after i got him.

i also was stupid enough to buy a malamute at a pet store (i have learned a lot since then). he also had both hips fixed, and lived a long, happy life.

most of my cats have come from there, also, except jake, my current guy, who came from a neighbor on another farm. he has since turned into a fat and happy inside kitty.

i don't know how to vote on the poll, since wayne started this thread without it :)

This thead brings back some fond memories at a pet forum, including the name Trevor....however that Trevor was a fat happy orange cat. :D

Pet forums have hot topics just like here...I'm convinced that the common demoninator is people that take responsibility and those that don't.

The central issue on pet forums (and reason most rescues exist) is irresponsible breeding. I need to explain that.

If 99% cats and dogs were neutered, most rescues would gladly be disbanded, billions of taxpayers dollars would be saved funding city pounds for the homeless pets. The 1% or less would be the offspring of responsible breeders that have the pedigree of the pups/kittens documented, current on all shots, takes the pick of their liters to pet shows for awards. Most breeders don't fall in that category.

"Backyard breeders" will take for example, a pair of Beagles and have a liter of pups...probably not do all the shots and have no idea of their pedigree...the concern should be less that there is another breed as much as some genetic disorder. It's also likely the backyard breeders not give them the time to socialize them... in the worst cases, a puppy mill will be frighteninly like a chicken farm. :eek:

If you don't know what a puppy mill is like - think African slave trade ships (I'm not trying to emotionalize this). If you can, see Humane Society of the US (http://www.stoppuppymills.org/inside_a_puppy_mill.html).

The biggest promoters of puppy mills is the Hunte Trucking company transporting dogs to PetLand...any rescuers here are familiar with this.

Having said all that, my first cats were backyard bred, but the rest are pound or street cats.

On a postive note, there are plenty of shelter pets - many of them will look purebred.

http://www.spencerthelion.com/images/mewdonna04.jpg

Mewdonna - pound cat...any doubt she is Turkish Angora?

I'd be for it, but its bad for my blood pressure whenever somebody mentions supporting Peta or hsus. Yes, Ingrid Newkirk is an idiot.

I'd be for it, but its bad for my blood pressure whenever somebody mentions supporting Peta or hsus. Yes, Ingrid Newkirk is an idiot.I really need to say I'm an animal welfare person - NOT animal rights...big, BIG difference.

Animal welfare is for avoiding homeless pets and their humane treatment - PETA goes waaay further with a political agenda. It's like people that say hybrid drivers and/or hypermilers are all far leftists.

I really need to say I'm an animal welfare person - NOT animal rights...big, BIG difference.

Animal welfare is for avoiding homeless pets and their humane treatment - PETA goes waaay further with a political agenda. It's like people that say hybrid drivers and/or hypermilers are all far leftists.

Its not animal welfare vs animal rights that gets my blood boiling. Its the mentality behind a very nasty concept called BSL- Breed Specific Language in polite company.

Same concept as "Driving while [insert ethnicity]":mad:

Peta is the worst at supporting this lunacy. HSUS isn't far behind.

I go to www.peta.org (http://www.peta.org) and I find a number of things I can't agree with....some things I agree with but their presentation is just too much.

Opposing puppy mills is not a PETA thing....it's a lot more mainstream

Since I became an adult, all of my pets have been rescues of some sort. Every breed of dog and cat has a rescue organization and most shelters or pounds take in about 15% purebred dogs. My first two dogs were mixes, a Golden and later a Border Collie. The rest of the dogs have been purebred.

Currently I share my life with a tuxedo cat, a German Shepherd Dog from the pound, and a Belgian Sheepdog originally found tied up in a grocery parking lot in Ohio. This guy doesn't let me out of his sight, has helped prevent burglaries on the block, and will protect me with his life. :Banane41:

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk326/nikkibsd/Coop.jpg

Warthog- Oh, I got it now..-Pek-a- poos - were the only "hybrid" mixes that have every crossed line of vision, and that was maybe 35 years ago.

Delta Flyer - that is a pretty cat.

Thanks,
Charlie

Nikki> You could open an account on photobucket, or google picasso. You could try a google search on something like "free image hosting".

Hi Nikki and Matthew:

___CleanMPG’s own Photo Gallery (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/) for CleanMPG posts :)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Nikki> You could open an account on photobucket,

Thanks! Photo added above. I've inherited a couple of Yahoo Groups & know how things work over there. I'm a little challenged by simple tasks out in the real world...

Sorry Wayne, I've never checked. I'm used to hosting my own photos for a bit now, so I usually just go that route ;).

Accidental mixed breeds are NOT as sturdy. Sorry to disappoint, but I actually have friends who are in Genetics AND are in the vet schools. Regardless of your anecdotal evidence, mutts (accidental or purposeful) are not as healthy or unhealthy as purebreds. Ask your local vet to take a look at his/her clients. Take two unhealthy dogs (regardless of the breed) you run a higher risk of health problems. Take two healthy dogs (regardless of the breed), and you run a lower risk of health problems. Look at the numbers.

Also, many genetic disorders are NEVER discovered in mixed breeds because they are asymptomatic or never diagnosed. When's the last time you've taken your dog for a CERF exam? When's the last time you had an echocardiogram done on your dog? I'm going to guess that most mixed breed owners don't do those tests on a regular basis. Most purebred pet owners don't do that either! Reputable breeders do.

I've seen many, many mixed breeds who had structural issues that were never noticed. Many small dogs have slipped patellas, but most vets don't even notice. The dogs are carried into the vet's office, and carried right now. The vet never gets a chance to see the dog move or even checking patellas unless the owner has a specific concern. Also, it takes a trained eye to pick it up visually. Vets are not formally taught how to do that in vet school. I know. I know LOTS of vet students. It isn't in the curriculum.

If you have a dog that bunny hops and can't seem to trot (always walking, hopping, or full gallop), chances are very high that it has knee problems. Unless you do health certificates and the dog doesn't look like it is in pain, it will probably live a happy life without anyone knowing.

I'm the trainer for a service dog training group, and I had to pull one of their dogs out of the program for knee and hip problems. The vet never noticed, but I could see it clearly. The dog would never be cut out to support the weight of someone or be able to pull open doors. It went to a pet home instead. And it certainly was not a purebred. It was a mixed breed. Guess what kind. If you are interested in learning about dog structure and function, there are other forums and great books to read about it. If you are interested in learning how, pm me and I can hook you up with a knowledge local person and send you to some dog shows. This takes years and years of practice. That's why conformation judges are almost always senior citizens.

Unfortunately, very few people like to actually look at the numbers or educate themselves on issues before jumping to conclusions. And dog-related issues are one of them. If you are interested in learning about canine genetics other than what you hear on the news (cuz you know everything in the news in true! :D Especially from AAA), there are other forums and books to do that.

Also, Cancer is the number 1 killer of dogs. :eek: Statistically, you're much better off making sure that you're dog is fed a nutritious and healthy diet, kept lean, and well exercised than you are worrying about if your dog is a purebred or mixed breed. Chances are that it is diet and exercise that will have the most affect on your dog's longevity. Same goes for humans too!

And since it's not obviously clear on my profile, in addition to participating in and judging dog sports, I've been active in 3 different breed rescues for 6 years. I spent much of my time doing public education, fostering, and transporting rescues. I've spent well over 30k in the last 6 years on my dog hobbies, and I have yet to see a cent from it. Any donations I get go right back into funding activities. So yes, there are people who are into dogs not for profit. Sorry, not everyone is as greedy and evil as you might think. ;)

That's all I'm going to say. I'll stay away from this thread. My experience with general dog forums (not specific like for rescue or training) is that people are going to argue semantics, stereotype others, make Mendel roll over in his grave, talk trash about certain breeds, and post pictures of their dogs once in a while. If you are interested in dog sports, dog rescue, dog training, picking out a dog for your family, how to find a reputable breeder or a reputable rescue group, show me pictures of your cute dogs, feel free to pm me.

Happy Hypermiling!

PookieSoup,

My past post on breeders was down on backyard breeders and other non-professional breeders ... hope that clarifies.

Breeders that are entering their dogs to shows are going to be taking excellent care of them.

I don't think I'm in disagreement.

Pookie,
I will let this argument go also
We currently have one dog - Phoebe a recycled greyhound - and 4 indoor mutt cats that just "arrived " like cats always seem to . Once we get down to 2 cats another couple just seem to arrive .

Phoebe is a pure and very hearty .Isis , another recycled greyhound ,also was very hearty until she got cancer and died at 14 (fairly old for a greyhound).

Now that dogs are getting better health care more will die from cancer - no way around that, since everyone dies .

The mutt cats are also hearty - of course being indoors extends their lives.

Like you say ,it is very hard to get representative numbers on mutt dogs. No one does the huge, long term studies that this would require -too expensive .

Thanks,
Charlie

Here's my dog assisting me in my hypermiling last year.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/Skwyre7/Mileage/HypermilingDuo.jpg

Here are our 2 dogs, Sancha (the big one on the right) and Ariel:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/medium/03-27-08_0755.jpg

They are both great pets. Sancha is my little hunter-killer who eats anything living that makes it into the back yard, and she only listens to me as the Wolf in her (she also has Shepherd, Husky and Black Lab genetic material) doesn't have time to deal with anyone non-assertive. She is strong and strong-willed but smart and fiercely loyal.

Ariel is our little princess, a total energy ball, cuddle-bug and Momma's girl, a 50-pound wannabe lap dog, the only Pit Bull in the world that runs and hides under your feet when the wind rattles the blinds. ;) She often bounces around the yard like Tigger rather than running in the traditional sense, and we always get a kick out of that.

We got Sancha from a box of puppies that had been abandoned in a shopping cart in a Wal-Mart parking lot in North Texas on a hot Summer afternoon with a heat index of around 130F. We got the puppies to some shade and got them some water, then spent the next 2 hours making sure they all got homes. Sancha was the last one left and no one else wanted her.

We got Ariel from our local animal shelter. She had been there for several weeks because, despite being an adorable and wary puppy, she was a Pit Bull. When we showed interest the shelter employees nearly threw her at us. We defied our homeowner's insurance policy requirements by adopting her but it was totally worth it. She has grown into a personality that is 3x larger than she is, but is always sweet. :)

Ariel is our little princess, a total energy ball, cuddle-bug and Momma's girl, a 50-pound wannabe lap dog, the only Pit Bull in the world that runs and hides under your feet when the wind rattles the blinds. ;) She often bounces around the yard like Tigger rather than running in the traditional sense, and we always get a kick out of that.

Gotta love the pits. My Pittie mix also turns into an 80lb Chicken when storms approach. "Daddy, daddy, save me, save me".:D

Hi All:

___I wanted to bump this one because my loyal pup was walking behind me back and forth as I was mowing the yard with the walk behind yesterday. I mean miles of back and forth just following behind. As I have been wrapping up ScanGauges for shipping and heading out the Post office with each new order last night and this morning, she hears the crinkle of the packages, gets up and sits next to me ready to go for the next ride :) What would we do without our pups!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

A couple of times yesterday, my dog came and laid down on the couch right behind me as I typed away at the keyboard. A couple of times she came up on my lap and took her paw and actually pulled my hand toward her.:) She is usually the wife's dog but I guess she missed me from being at work yesterday morning.:dog:

My daughter just snapped this picture of my loyal pooch.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/Loyal_pup.jpg

I was up at Harrison the other day, visiting my aunt's place. I haven't been there in almost ten years.

And the two surviving dogs from ten years ago still recognize me.

I love beagles- handsome looking guy/girl , diamondlarry!
Phoebe- our recycled greyhound knows something is up and she is hanging by the front door. She can sense our tension, and see our preps. Dogs can read body language very well; cats are a close second.
Charlie

I love beagles- handsome looking guy/girl , diamondlarry!

Charlie

Thanks. My beagle is a female and she is going to be a year old on Nov. 7th. My daughter named her Macy-Rose but we just call her Macy.

She's adorable!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trsb-w1rKKA

A dog is truly man's best friend. :D:D:D

Auston,
I can really see you with that dog. "Rover go get me a Bud"

Auston,
I can really see you with that dog. "Rover go get me a Bud"

If you had any idea what I did Saturday night after I drove home from our meet... well, Hadi has an idea.

I'll give you a few hints: thirty plus beers. I stepped in a hole at some point, the beer somehow shot out and across the porch and sprayed this girl... I apologized to her by acting as if I was proposing to her. Then my buddy pushes me over. I respond by calling him a stupid n****. In front of two black guys. (He's white.)

And then I completely dominated at beer pong with some girl who goes to Dayton (next question? If Dayton and beer end up in the same sentence...heh.) Apparently I made a complete ass of myself and was hung over for two days if not still inebriated :o

I just barely scratched the surface. :rolleyes:

Auston, do you want to survive another year in this world? I'd strongly suggest getting out of that pattern -- it is dangerous in a multitude of ways. :(

If you had any idea what I did Saturday night after I drove home from our meet... well, Hadi has an idea.

I'll give you a few hints: thirty plus beers. I stepped in a hole at some point, the beer somehow shot out and across the porch and sprayed this girl... I apologized to her by acting as if I was proposing to her. Then my buddy pushes me over. I respond by calling him a stupid n****. In front of two black guys. (He's white.)

And then I completely dominated at beer pong with some girl who goes to Dayton (next question? If Dayton and beer end up in the same sentence...heh.) Apparently I made a complete ass of myself and was hung over for two days if not still inebriated :o

I just barely scratched the surface. :rolleyes:Auston, I hate for something like this (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16095) to happen to you. Yeah, I did crazy things myself and managed to survive.

I have a dog related question.
What would you do if you came upon a dog mortally wounded, but still alive, 50+ miles away from a vet and no time available any way??

Drive on by or put it out of its misery?

That's a tough question.

I know. I was pulling up to an intersection about 50 miles from home yesterday in my FSP pulling a cargo trailer and I saw a dog flopping in the middle of this rural intersection. When I stopped he got up and trotted to the side of the road where another dog was watching. I guess he was just scratching his back.

This reminds me of the commercial where the squirrel is in the street and makes the car wrecnk. He then runs to the side of the road and high fives another squirrell.

Did it look like they were sceaming or anything.

I didn't notice. I guess I better check youtube. The one on the side probably had a videophone.

Auston, do you want to survive another year in this world? I'd strongly suggest getting out of that pattern -- it is dangerous in a multitude of ways. :(

Auston, I hate for something like this to happen to you. Yeah, I did crazy things myself and managed to survive.

If there's one thing I refuse to do no matter what it's drink and drive. Either someone stays sober and drives home or I spend the rest of the night there. I refuse to get behind the wheel when drunk because I know a guy with 27 DUI's on his record :(


What would you do if you came upon a dog mortally wounded, but still alive, 50+ miles away from a vet and no time available any way??

Pick him up and start hauling ass. I'd at least try to save him.

About ten years ago I was driving around the neighborhood and noticed this pure white cat that just did not move. Stopped and it was ill. Took it to a vet and he said he had very advanced feline leukemia and probably would not last another day. Took it to the pound and they brought in the probable owner so she could say goodbye.

Auston, drunk driving is not the only risk -- not by a long shot. Your health is in danger both from the biological effects and the effects on judgment. :(

Auston, drunk driving is not the only risk -- not by a long shot. Your health is in danger both from the biological effects and the effects on judgment. :(

I guess I can't argue that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyUec-lv_jI

I had to post this. It is one of my favorites on You Tube.