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atlaw4u
04-29-2008, 03:04 PM
GM checks off milestones in the development of its gasoline-electric plug-in vehicle. (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/concept_central/2011_chevrolet_volt_car_news)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/548/Chevrolet_Volt_-_Front_Page.jpgAlisa Priddle - Car and Driver- April, 2008

General Motors is developing the Chevrolet Volt electric vehicle and its lithium-ion battery pack on parallel paths—and both have passed significant milestones en route to a targeted November 2010 launch.

Larry Burns, GM vice-president of research and development and strategic planning, tells Car and Driver in an interview that the design of the car has been frozen. Although the production model is not a twin of the Volt concept, the more conventional sedan bears a family resemblance to the Chevy Malibu. And in the interests of speed, it dips into parts bins of existing GM products wherever possible. That likely includes an existing four-cylinder gasoline engine as the onboard means of recharging the battery that, alone, gives the vehicle a range of only 40 miles.

The car was designed around the need to package a battery system with a 150,000-mile life, with enough performance for a 0-to-60-mph time of 8.5 seconds. The Volt concept also underwent changes to improve aerodynamics after extensive wind-tunnel testing.

Time to Hit the Road

And at an event in Detroit, GM execs discussed preparations for road-testing the lithium-ion batteries that will go into the production car—past tests were with nickel-metal hydride batteries. The next stage of testing begins this month, with battery packs in a 2001 Chevy Malibu mule to gather much-needed durability data as the team scrambles to simulate 10 years of usage over the next two.

Burns says initially GM canvassed numerous battery suppliers around the world as part of its e-flex program. After a “bake-off” between suppliers, GM is working with two deemed to “have the chemistries to get there.” Burns says there are eight criteria that GM determined its lithium-ion batteries must meet for automotive application, including such things as energy density, extreme temperature viability, the material set, and cost.

GM has shown a series of concepts with the E-Flex propulsion system: the original gasoline-electric Volt concept, a hydrogen-electric Volt, and the Opel Flextreme, which is diesel-electric.

The Volt will qualify as a PZEV (Partial Zero-Emission Vehicle), and there will be an E85 ULEV (Ultra Low-Emission Vehicle), but there are no plans for a diesel, execs said this week.

Second-Gen Work Under Way

Meanwhile, Burns says work is already under way on the second generation. He declines to give a timeframe.

Plug-ins may be exciting, but with a range of only 40 miles, they fall short in comparison to a family-size fuel-cell vehicle with a 300-mile range and zero emissions. Burns sees work on plug-ins as a complementary play to FCVs that convert hydrogen to electricity onboard, with batteries for power assist and to store energy regenerated in braking.

And he doesn’t anticipate that the Chevy Tahoe or other full-size vehicles—or even minivans, wagons or mid-size SUVs—will be offered as plug-ins. “It’s okay for a Cobalt-sized vehicle, but not something with twice the mass.” For larger vehicles, GM’s two-mode hybrid system makes more sense. And efficient gasoline engines will continue to play a significant role in the future, Burns says.

GM Determined to Be Fuel-Cell-Vehicle Leader… http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/concept_central/2011_chevrolet_volt_car_news

lamebums
04-29-2008, 03:29 PM
What's with the obsession with having 0-60 in under 10 seconds? Geez. It's a commuter, not a hot-rod or a race car.

-mr. bill
04-29-2008, 04:10 PM
"That likely includes an existing four-cylinder gasoline engine..."

I'm sorry, but, really? A 1.8L Ecotec?

-mr. bill

JusBringIt
04-29-2008, 04:18 PM
...I hope they're not leaning to the trend of defeating the purpose of building the car in the first place.

BailOut
04-29-2008, 04:43 PM
This is going to sound petulant but I stopped looking to American automobile manufacturers for any kind of innovation or leadership a long time ago, and my last car was likely the last American-designed vehicle I will ever own. As such I care not one whit what GM does or doesn't do with the Volt.

It won't be the first or best with a Li-Ion pack, it will reuse some of the existing and totally crappy stuff that has already put GM in the bottom half for reliability and customer satisfaction, in true GM fashion it will be geared much more for unusable performance than for efficiency and at the end of the day it will likely still be just another 80k mile disposable GM vehicle that still tries to command a premium price.

The media seems to keep gushing every time a news snippet about the Volt is released. It's silly considering the track record of GM and that design hasn't even been finalized yet.

Earthling
04-29-2008, 05:34 PM
And in the interests of speed, it dips into parts bins of existing GM products wherever possible. That likely includes an existing four-cylinder gasoline engine as the onboard means of recharging the battery that, alone, gives the vehicle a range of only 40 miles.



If true, that's too bad. The Prius, in comparison, has a heavily tweaked 1.5 liter engine developed specifically to give higher fuel economy.

Harry

Radio_tec
04-29-2008, 06:26 PM
For a look at where the mindsets of the Volt fans are I would recommend a casual perusal of the http://gm-volt.com website. :eek: It's a real eye-opening experience. They run the gamut from realists, "Folks lets wait 'till GM releases this before we get upset about: fill in the blank, A) Cost B) Efficiency C) Power & acceleration" There are other propeller heads mixed in who advocate any number of perpetual motion schemes to increase range or state that the car has got to cost $25,000 to sell and so on.

Right now this car is in proto testing right now and a lot can change by the time the design is finalized. So I think it is premature to judge anything said about the car right now. However I am in agreement that the car should be built for efficiency given the realities of bumper to bumper commuter traffic. I too would also be disappointed if they put in a 4 cyl. 1.5 liter engine instead of the smaller 1.3 L 3 cylinder engine they indicated in the initial design. But hey, it’s still early and there's still some time left before the design is set in stone.

lyekka
04-29-2008, 07:27 PM
I would like to see them get it right, but by the time it is available, Apteras may selling outside of CA. I lost interest ever since I read:

"Lutz: Chevy Volt aero might have been better if we put it in the wind tunnel backwards"

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/14/lutz-chevy-volt-aero-might-have-been-better-if-we-put-it-in-the/

It gave me an opinion of their design approach....



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