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xcel
03-28-2008, 09:40 PM
Local politicians blow it. (http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/03/13/news/local/doc47d8c40a2f942755111011.txt)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2008_US_based_Ford_Focus.jpgKurt Allemeier - Quad-City Times - March 13, 2008

2008 Ford Focus

The board in this case did not do even the basic homework or they would have come to a far different conclusion. See table below. -- Ed.

Deciding what is right for the environment or what is right for taxpayers is the question local government’s face when they take up the question of buying hybrid or flex-fuel vehicles.

The Scott County Board of Supervisors recently considered the purchase of a subcompact car for the health department. David Donovan, the county’s facility and support services director, provided prices for four subcompacts and three hybrid vehicles. The car was to be mostly used for in-town driving.

The hybrids — Toyota Prius, Honda Civic and Ford Escape — were priced about $10,000-$12,000 more than the subcompacts — Toyota Yaris, Ford Focus SE, Chevrolet Cobalt and Ford Focus. Also included were gas mileage ratings for the cars. The subcompacts averaged about 25 mpg in the city, compared to 39 mpg for the hybrids.

The board voted to purchase the Ford Focus because of the $12,215.97 price tag, although Supervisor Larry Minard thought a hybrid should be considered as a test case.

“My initial thought was that we should purchase one and see how it performs — vis-a-vis the rest of the car fleet — so we would have a true track record on maintenance and all the other things,” Minard said. “It may not be that a hybrid is right for everything, but I think their real advantage is in-town driving.”

Donovan also calculated maintenance and fuel costs over 80,000 miles for the vehicles and the cost gap closed to within $5,000, but that wasn’t enough to sway the board… http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/03/13/news/local/doc47d8c40a2f942755111011.txt

04 Prius vs. 04 Focus

Year|Make|Model|Initial cost|*Wholesale (80k miles)|Depreciation|**Fuel Costs (80K miles)|***Total Cost
04|Ford|Focus|$12,000|$3,230|$8,770|$10,560|$19,330
04|Toyota|Prius|$20,500|$10,375|$10,125|$5,739|$15,864
* KBB 4 years, 80k miles – Good Condition – TIV (Trade-in-Value)
** Fuel costs calculated at $3.30 per gallon at 08 EPA combined (Focus w/ Auto - 25 mpg, Prius - 46 mpg) over 80k miles.
*** Does not include TTL, maintenance and repair, financing or insurance.

This short sighted Township made a $3,466 mistake let alone the Prius containing far more amenities, lower cost of repairs and maintenance on top of the overall savings from fuel and much lower depreciation. As the price of a gallon of gasoline continues to go higher, the costly mistake compounds upon itself.

End result, the local taxpayers received the shaft with this poorly thought out decision.

BailOut
03-28-2008, 10:08 PM
I'm just happy they didn't buy that guy a full-size American truck like ever other township in the country does.

ILAveo
03-28-2008, 10:23 PM
I bump into Dave Donovan occasionally (Scott Co. is a client); he's a decent humble guy who seems to be trying to do right. The real question is how did the board calculate their numbers?

Judging from the bid packages I've helped put together for Scott Co., it seems likely they asked the local dealerships to put together bid packets for the different models. I have been very unimpressed by the local 'Yota and Honda dealers. It would be no surprise to me that they aren't capable of winning a competitive bid with a superior product .

xcel
03-28-2008, 10:38 PM
Hi Rich:

___Even so, the Focus went for ~ $12K back in 04. The 08 (w/ Auto I am sure) is going for $12K and a base Prius can be had for $22.5K right off the lot. I can go pick one up for that with a package in the morning in fact. The numbers even when looking at purchasing an 08 Prius off the lot at full MSRP for the bottom end packages still bounce the Focus right out off the spreadsheet due to the depreciation hit and fuel costs combined. Repair and maintenance? We both know which one is going to be more expensive on average to repair let alone maintain. Fuel costs. We will be lucky if fuel stays in the $3.30 range over the next 4 years. Any more and the Focus not only gets buried but the Prius does a dance on its grave … It is the insurance that may come to play here but I doubt it as a sedan under a townships policy no matter the make/model are probably all close to one another.

___An 08 Prius vs. an 08 Focus as far as safety, comfort, size, utility and amenities? It is not even close …

___The next time you speak with him, feel him out for the criteria as I want to know why this board made such a short sighted decision myself. The numbers they were quoted as saying in the story do not match reality by any stretch … I know, I am ranting a bit. I get spun up about this kind of thing as of late ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Harold
03-29-2008, 10:06 AM
They are real concerned about the amount of taxes you pay!!! This should be pointed out next election time Cheers;H

Chuck
03-29-2008, 01:15 PM
Some of the Texas State Troopers now patrol in F150s :(

BillLin
03-29-2008, 01:32 PM
I remember the Dodge Ram (I think) on "Walker, Texas Ranger." Oh wait,
that's TV, not reality. ;) It probably takes trucks to stop trucks. Crown Vics
(and Camry hybrids) aren't so good at off-road pursuits.

cheers,
Bill



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