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Chuck
01-17-2008, 03:22 PM
What bothers carmakers most after the threat of recession? How to adhere to CAFE fuel rules without losing customers. (http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/jan2008/bw20080115_583092.htm)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Cadillac_Escalade.jpgDavid Welch - BusinessWeek - Jan 15, 2008

Detroit and the typical American driver...starting to look like a pair wanting to jump off a bridge - Ed

Ask auto executives what keeps them up at night, and right after the 50-50 chance that the U.S. economy will slide into a recession is the new set of fuel-economy rules handed down by Uncle Sam in December. They all say that they will meet the new rules, but the question is how? What scares them is that to meet the new rules, they will have to make automobiles either more expensive or smaller and less powerful, two types of cars that have traditionally been about as popular as a Greenpeace delegation at a National Rifle Assn. convention.

The source of their discomfort is the new energy bill that Congress passed in December mandating that carmakers achieve a corporate fleet average fuel economy (CAFE) rating of 35 miles per gallon by 2020, up from 22.2 for trucks and 27.5 for passenger cars.

Passing Costs to Consumers

The federal government has long preferred regulations that force carmakers to improve fuel economy, instead of gasoline taxes that would give consumers incentive to buy more efficient vehicles. The conventional wisdom behind this stance is that consumers won't vote for public officials who levy taxes at the pump…http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/jan2008/bw20080115_583092.htm

Euroford
01-17-2008, 03:41 PM
This might mean a rush of large SUV purchases prior to the new laws coming into effect.

southerncannuck
01-17-2008, 03:52 PM
I think that everything will be just fine. Someday soon most of us will look back and wonder what that was all about. A 5,000 lbs truck to commute to work is silly.

Louis B

atlaw4u
01-17-2008, 04:04 PM
"A 5,000 lbs truck to commute to work is silly."

Tell that to my co-worker. That's his Hummer parked next to my Insight. It barely fits in our office's parking garage.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd91/atlaw4u/My%20Insight/InsightHummer.jpg

GrendelKhan
01-17-2008, 05:43 PM
I love that you park your Insight next to a Hummer. W00T!

-Gren

AshenGrey
01-17-2008, 05:58 PM
Yeah... God forbid that the American automakers start having to innovate! Aiiieeee!

Earthling
01-17-2008, 06:17 PM
"A 5,000 lbs truck to commute to work is silly."

Tell that to my co-worker. That's his Hummer parked next to my Insight. It barely fits in our office's parking garage.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd91/atlaw4u/My%20Insight/InsightHummer.jpg

Nice pic, but I can beat that. I usually park my Prius at work (on those rare days I drive to work) next to a fellow worker's F-550 truck! Talk about a humongous gas hog commuter vehicle, it's hard to imagine anything worse than an F-550.

Harry

owlmaster08
01-17-2008, 08:15 PM
Nice pic, but I can beat that. I usually park my Prius at work (on those rare days I drive to work) next to a fellow worker's F-350 truck! Talk about a humongous gas hog commuter vehicle, it's hard to imagine anything worse than an F-350.

Harry

Does an M1-A1 Abrams tank count? I think they get 1 MPG :)

warthog1984
01-17-2008, 09:49 PM
Does an M1-A1 Abrams tank count? I think they get 1 MPG :)

No. Anything with OEM large-caliber weaponry is exempt from Cafe. :D

mulad
01-18-2008, 12:21 AM
Heh, well, Hummer H1 & H2, and Ford F-350 & F-250 are exempt from CAFE as well (er, they have been... I guess I'm not sure if/when that recent court ruling about vehicles above 8500 lbs GVWR will change things)

msirach
01-18-2008, 04:52 AM
Curb weight of the H2 is 6614lbs. The last year of production was 2006, but it's weight is around 7200 lbs.

Chuck
01-18-2008, 05:38 AM
Curb weight of the H2 is 6614lbs. The last year of production was 2006, but it's weight is around 7200 lbs.Are you thinking of the H1 that's discontinued?

mulad
01-18-2008, 10:18 AM
GVWR = Gross Vehicular Weight Rating. I forget the formula, but it's the curb weight of the vehicle plus a value that's like 50% of the vehicle's rated load (or something along those lines).

Robert Lastick
01-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Klutz;
1. A lumpy mass.
2. A clumsy person.

The picture of the Cadillac Escalade (above) does sort of resemble a massive lump, as do F-550's and H1's, H2's, etc.

And the statements that Robert Lutz makes in this article do represent a very clumsy attempt to deny the reality our country faces in hopes that he can shuck us along just a little longer with his "we have many 30+ MPG vehicles" and "you won't stop the American public from buying large V8 engines", drivel. Yep, the same old tripe, "Americans—who love roomy cabins and brawny engines", salted into mythical cars that will give Americans the ability to have their cake and be able to eat it too.

Well, at least it tells us loud and clear the direction GM is headed. The statements of Katsuaki Watanabe in this article also give us a very clear direction that Toyota is headed. Toyota's direction seems opposite that of GM.

I think Mr. Lutz spells his name with a "K", eh??

Chuck
01-18-2008, 11:08 AM
Does an M1-A1 Abrams tank count? I think they get 1 MPG :)of course, it's illegal for civilians to drive tanks on the streets - just like it was illegal to drive HUMVEEs - was. :(



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