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andy
11-08-2007, 05:51 PM
What $100 Oil Means for Your Wallet. (http://www.smartmoney.com/consumer/index.cfm?story=20071108)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Oil_Pump_at_twilight.jpgAleksandra Todorovar – Smart Money – Nov. 8, 2007

WITH OIL PRICES hovering around $100 a barrel, consumers worry about what sort of hit is heading to their wallets.

The 34% jump we've seen in oil prices over the past three months has largely not translated into higher consumer costs — at least not yet, says Diane Swonk, chief economist with Mesirow Financial, a Chicago-based financial-services firm. But those days may soon be ending, especially if we get a cold winter that drives up demand for oil. So far, oil refineries and gasoline stations have largely absorbed the increase in crude oil costs — in part because demand for gasoline has stayed relatively weak in the U.S. But dropping temperatures and holiday travel could mean those extra costs will be passed along to the consumer.

So what's driving the price of oil? At its core, the good old supply-demand relationship: Oil production is decreasing, while global demand is growing. Last year, world production dropped to 73.5 million barrels a day compared with 73.8 million barrels in 2005. This year's eight-month average is even lower, at 73 million. How come? A primary reason is that the oil-production companies have not invested enough in exploring new oil resources, says Chris Lafakis, associate economist at Moody's Economy.com. Meanwhile, this lesser supply is met with strong demand, driven by surging consumption of oil in Southeast Asia, particularly China.

This is where the speculators come in, explains James Williams, an energy economist with WTRG Economics, an energy research and analysis firm in London, Ark. Much like real estate speculators drove up prices in parts of the country to unsustainable highs during the real estate boom, futures traders are driving up oil prices today. They're buying futures contracts at record-high prices, essentially betting that oil will remain expensive at stipulated future dates… http://www.smartmoney.com/consumer/index.cfm?story=20071108

Vooch
11-08-2007, 05:58 PM
don't know

xcel
11-08-2007, 06:00 PM
Hi Andy:

___I will take this to the home page in the morning and yes, we have entered Peak Oil …


Oil production is decreasing, while global demand is growing. Last year, world production dropped to 73.5 million barrels a day compared with 73.8 million barrels in 2005. This year's eight-month average is even lower, at 73 million.
___Good Luck

___Wayne

Vooch
11-08-2007, 06:04 PM
$5 gas in 6 months = yes

owlmaster08
11-08-2007, 07:00 PM
I really don't want to have to tell my friends "I told you so." :(

Chuck
11-08-2007, 07:49 PM
If you are still wondering, here is a hint: in just six months oil has gone from $65 to $98bbl...and it might hit $100 within a week.

So those that smugly say: "I don't care if it's $10 a gallon!...."

What about the truckers?

What about all the other delivery services? Cab drivers?

How much more is food and anything else transported going to cost?

Recall SouthWest and American Airlines hiked their fares within the past month to cover the fuel costs?

For those that can, remember 1979?

Eventually, the ones saying they don't give a **** are going to think again.

janneyc
11-08-2007, 08:08 PM
It's a scary sentiment not knowing what you're going to do. Regardless of what happens, gas prices are going to rise higher and higher and there's nothing we can do as a country. As prices go up, more and more people are forced to make better decisions. That's all we can continue to hope for.

Bike123
11-08-2007, 09:29 PM
Worse than "What about truckers?" is "What about farmers?" Of course, we need to truck the food to market. I won't mind if we stop trucking so much plastic junk and bottled water, but I sure like to eat!

Interesting bit in energybulletin.net today -- Daniel Yergin was a peak oiler in the late '70's. I wonder what happened?

Erdrick
11-09-2007, 12:28 AM
I highly doubt that anyone on this website is going to be able to confirm when we have entered the era of peak oil. Sure we can speculate and debate the issue, but the fact is, only the really rich people who own the oil know when it is going to happen. Last I checked the sheiks weren't letting hypermilers onto their drilling sites to check production/reserve numbers. Don't trust them to do the math for us. Their lies have been exposed too many times to count. Come to think of it... no one can enter any of the oil countries without being gunned down.

I just accept that it IS going to happen, and it doesn't really matter when. I will be ready for it. Hypermiling is just a way to get through the initial hit of peak oil, after which everything will go to hell in a handbasket. That is when everyone's life will change.

Yeah that sounded like a doomsday prediction, but I am actually looking forward to a world without bankers, lawyers, senators and the like. Everyone living for the day and getting back to their roots... if they survive the intial onslaught.

xcel
11-09-2007, 12:57 AM
Hi Erdrick:

___It isn’t the exact date; it is the production numbers showing a year over year decline already. Here is the US including both the Alaska and Gulf finds. Alaska is already in severe decline and the Gulf is stretched.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/506/medium/US_Production_vs_Imports.jpg

___Argentina, Australia, Norway, Oman and the UK have peaked in the last few years and it appears as if Mexico’s Cantwell peaked two years ago as well.

___Even the CEO of Exxon/Mobil doesn’t know when it is exactly going to happen but it is the roll over that is being seen now. Afterwards, the numbers fall off fast.

___The funny thing is the EIA has been spouting 230 MBD in 20 years for a while now yet here we are looking at the numbers and saying they are out of their minds. The EIA consist of experts who advise the President and Congress :rolleyes:

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Earthling
11-09-2007, 08:31 AM
Petrobras reports a big oil find in deep water off the coast of Brazil today.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/08/brazil.oil.ap/index.html

The Tupi field lies under 2,140 meters (7,060 feet) of water, more than 3,000 meters (almost 10,000 feet) of sand and rocks, and then another 2,000-meter (6,600-foot) thick layer of salt. The company drilled test wells that lie under 2,166 meters (7,100 feet) of water, 286 kilometers (177 miles) south of Rio de Janeiro.

Getting that oil out of the Earth's crust is a formidable challenge, but most of Brazil's oil lies off its Atlantic coast, and Petrobras has become a global leader in ultradeep offshore oil extraction.

Even this find illustrates the principle that all the easy oil has been found and mostly drained. The only oil left is like this find, hard to get, in this case in extremely deep water, requiring very expensive methods to locate and produce.

Peak Oil is behind us.

Harry



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