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xcel
05-09-2007, 09:23 PM
"As it stands Kyoto is not tackling global emission at any adequate level because its targets are way too low." (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/05/08/kyoto.protocol/index.html)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Smoke_stacks.jpgPaul Sussman - CNN - May 9, 2007

Electrical Generation via Coal outputs a large amount of GHG emissions. The Kyoto Protocol is intended to combat those emissions that lead to climate change.

LONDON, England -- Troubled, flawed and shunned by the United States, the Kyoto Protocol remains to date the most comprehensive attempt by the international community to tackle, at a governmental level, one of the defining issues of our age: global warming and climate change.

Negotiated in December 1997 and eventually brought into legal force five years later in February 2005, the Protocol's so-called "First Commitment Period" is due to expire in 2012 (it is not, as some reports have suggested, the treaty itself that expires).

This week marks the start of a fortnight-long meeting in Bonn, Germany, of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate, where 1700 diplomats, scientists and NGOs from 166 countries will attempt to start hammering out draft proposals for moving Kyoto forward into a second commitment period.

Those proposals will then be put to a larger meeting in Bali, Indonesia, in December, when the U.N. will launch formal negotiations on a revised and expanded climate treaty, with officials hoping to have such a treaty in place within two years.

"The Bonn conference is essentially a stepping stone on the way to Bali," John Hay, Spokesmen for the U.N. Climate Change Secretariat, told CNN.

"It is part of an ongoing process aimed both at developing proposals to replace Kyoto, but also at continuing the work of the existing treaty.

"It's actually more of a technical meeting and won't be dealing with issues such as the setting of specific greenhouse gas targets -- that will be dealt with at another round of talks in Vienna in August … http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/05/08/kyoto.protocol/index.html

Thanks Larry.

Chuck
05-09-2007, 09:43 PM
If China and India could get on board, it would be much easier.

China is still a developing nation catching up - they don't want to be held to the same standards the US and Europe without sharing technology.

Technological assistance would not be a problem....EXCEPT - software piracy and other intellectual theft is epidemic in China.

So a way needs to be found that China will join.


Devil's Advocate: Think of what happens if the US joins, but China does not.

US products cost more to be green and there will be even more outsourcing to China. :(

The Bush Administration is not the only major pleyer dragging it's heels.

worthywads
05-09-2007, 11:50 PM
Why doesn't the UN try teleconference calling.

What can 1700 attendies from 166 countries, more than 10 per country be up to that requires them all to travel to Bonn for what is only a preliminary to the larger upcoming Bali meeting. There's Vienna meetings in between.

I won't be surprised when these conventions are sold as carbon neutral.:rolleyes:

tbaleno
05-10-2007, 01:04 AM
I thought one of the major problems with Kyoto is that non of the countries that signed it are meeting the goals? It seems they now want to increase the goals? Someone needs to rethink a strategy

PapaMile
12-15-2007, 06:35 PM
This morning, in a massive U-turn in the 11th hour of extended negotiations, the Harper government finally dropped its opposition to 2020 emissions targets among Kyoto countries , and a climate change agreement was reached in Bali!

Source : www.avaaz.org

Pierre M

msantos
12-15-2007, 08:57 PM
This morning, in a massive U-turn in the 11th hour of extended negotiations, the Harper government finally dropped its opposition to 2020 emissions targets among Kyoto countries , and a climate change agreement was reached in Bali!

Source : www.avaaz.org (http://www.avaaz.org)

Pierre M

Indeed Pierre.

This is one of the eco-happy days I've had in recent memory, not so much for the actions and commitments of the Harper government, but rather the unexpected U-turn reversal announced by the US representative.

I guess all it took was the final speech of a poorer country to challenge the US delegation to either "Lead, follow or Get-out-of-the-way" ? Wow.

Cheers;

MSantos



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