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Chuck
04-04-2009, 10:37 PM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/../photos/data/2/Japanese_Flag_30x22.jpg It's another Toyota tack in their hybrid wars with Honda. The average speed for the Japanese counterpart of the EPA is 16mph. (http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2662/69/)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/310_revolving_prius.gifHank Green - EcoGeek - April. 03, 2009

Would love to know the 2010 Insight numbers...did the latest Prius leave them in the dust? Doubt Honda would let that happen. Besides, The Prius II and original Insight got 98 and 101mpg, respectively as measured by the Japanese EPA. -- Ed.

While the Honda Insight has been selling extremely well in Japan, Toyota has had a few tricks up its sleeve to take on the fledgling (and less expensive) Honda Insight. Toyota's battle comes on three fronts, each making the Insight seem like less of a deal to Japanese buyers.

First, Toyota is keeping on the 2008-style Prius as Japan's cheapest hybrid, beating the Insight by a few hundred dollars at the base price. Second, they've significantly reduced (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/04/02/toyota-nearly-matches-price-of-honda-insight-with-new-2010-prius/) the Japanese price points for the 2010 Prius. They're now selling the Prius in Japan with a base price of just over $20,000, about a thousand more than the Insight.


Of course, the Prius has enough extra features not included at the base price that the car could cost as much as $33,000, while the Insight tops out (entirely tricked out, with everything you can get) at $22,000. The trick, obviously, is to get someone in the driver's seat, and then remind them that all of those wonderful features they're enjoying will cost a lot extra.… http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2662/69/

cuchulain
04-05-2009, 05:20 AM
The Japanese 10-15 mode test results in descending order are
New Prius 3rd Gen 38km/L(90.2 mpgUS), Original Insight 5MT 36km/L(85.5 mpgUS),Prius 2nd Gen 35.5km/L(84mpg US),Original Insight CVT and 1st Gen Prius 32km/L(76 mpg US), Civic MXB 31km/L (73 mpg US), Insight 2nd Gen 30km/L (71mpg US)

The 10-15 mode test is fairly mild mannered as it allows the engine to be completely warmed up beforehand. A newer version JC08 which will be used from 2010, averages a cold engine start and a warm engine start with higher top speeds. Also the 10-15 mode has a number stop/starts (to simulate city traffic lights etc.) so the average speed may look lower.

Good Luck
Andrew

Chuck
04-05-2009, 10:30 AM
Thank you for the info - Andrew! :)

The 2010 Insight is at 71mpg, so it's being shown up

fuzzy
04-05-2009, 11:05 AM
Thank you for the info - Andrew! :)

85mpg for the 2010 Insight is a pretty respectable 2nd place...

??? Where did you get this? I see:

...
Original Insight 5MT _ 36km/L (85.5 mpgUS),...
Original Insight CVT... 32km/L (76 mpg US)...
Insight 2nd Gen ____ 30km/L (71mpg US)

Chuck
04-05-2009, 11:10 AM
Correction: 2010 Insight listed at 71mpg



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