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Shell releases "nitrogen-enriched" gasoline. http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=ind_focus.story&STORY=/www/story/03-02-2009/0004980865&EDATE=

Sounds kinda like marketing BS to me. They use the words "gunk" or "gunky" no less than 8 times in the article, like its a technical term or something :) Sounds like one of those "perfect claims" that a product can make, because the only way someone would know if it were working or not would be to run two motors for 50,000 miles one with brand X and one with Shell's gunk fighting stuff, and then tear them both down to see.

I officially call BS. Nitrogen schmitrogen.

Well, our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, and I'm pretty sure the engine doesn't breathe all oxygen as that occupies 21% of the air...There isn't enough info supplied to verify the claims made.

Hi 99LeCouch:

___I almost posted this when it was first announced but nothing with N2 in it is going to help your FE. How it helps remove deposits is another mystery to me as well :confused:

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Well, our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, and I'm pretty sure the engine doesn't breathe all oxygen as that occupies 21% of the air...There isn't enough info supplied to verify the claims made.


Exactly there isn't enough info - because they don't actually HAVE any info. for all we know gasoline already has nitrogen in it. 99lecouch - please don't take my criticism of the article as somehow critical of you as a poster. I just can't help but be immensely skeptical of ANY claim that a petroleum giant makes. Especially when they say they are doing it to "help the consumer get the most out of every last drop of fuel" whatever. Big oil is about as concerned about helping the consumer as Oscar the grouch is concerned about attending sensitivity training.

Its a ploy to somehow separate their product in a marketplace where there is really just a tiny difference in products.

I want my gas to have not only nitrogen, but I want magnets in the dispenser too.....those should activate the patented econologic molecules embedded in the gasoline, thereby increasing the vortex enabling properties of the internal combusticator. I just made all that up, but a good marketer could use that phraseology to sell "improved gasoline". Maybe I should take out a trademark? :)

Probably BS, but it coulc be something...

They didn't say they added straight Nitrogen to the gas, but they added Nitrogen atoms to the cleaning element, making it more stable at high temps (like the inside of an engine).

I still say it's probably BS due to the lack of verifying info provided.

99lecouch - please don't take my criticism of the article as somehow critical of you as a poster.

No offense taken! I posted it as a FYI to make sense out of more advertising.

Some have speculated it's polyether amines, which do have a nitrogen component to them.

Nitrogen would need to be locked up in another liquid that is soluble in gasoline, as pure nitrogen is a gas at standard temperature and pressure. My first thought when I heard about this was that they added ammonia (NH3). I read an article a few months ago that detailed how an ICE can run on ammonia. Blending in ammonia would introduce nitrogen into the gasoline (a cocktail of hydrocarbons that's mostly C8H18), but I don't know that a gasoline/ammonia mixture would separate rather than remaining a homogeneous mixture. As for removing deposits inside the engine, I would guess it would do ok, as Windex does a reasonably good job of removing dirt from windows.

Your catalytic converters are currently dealing with a lot of oxides of nitrogen produced during combustion. One would want a pretty good reason to add additional N to the overall system. Remember it has to work as a *system*.

DAS

As for removing deposits inside the engine, I would guess it would do ok, as Windex does a reasonably good job of removing dirt from windows.

Great statement!

Just remember if something sounds too good.......

Looks like just another marketing gimmick or at the most another version of snake oil.

I went on a 4000km trip recently, all with the same speed and terrain, relatively the same good hot weather. I tried everything from Shells nitrogen, to BPs invigorate to Chevron techron...and the winner of the best mpg went to Texaco. Kind of makes me think the rest are all pretty gimmicky IMO...

I went on a 4000km trip recently, all with the same speed and terrain, relatively the same good hot weather. I tried everything from Shells nitrogen, to BPs invigorate to Chevron techron...and the winner of the best mpg went to Texaco. Kind of makes me think the rest are all pretty gimmicky IMO...

Just curious - was that E10 or non-E10?

you couldn't get anything but E10 that I could find on the I15 route...in any brand...

Before nitrogen, I liked Shell. My cars and bikes seemed to run better on it and got slightly better gas mileage. Now it seems to act the same as all the other major brand gas.

Just my 2 cents. (Gotta use them up before pennies disappear.)

Someone was surveying the attendants at a shell when I was in line recently and they asked them what the new nitrogen enriched fuel does and the right answer was that it reduced the amount of moisture in the engine that can lead to wear. Didn't say anything about FE though.

Personally I am a fan of gas stations that actually have working air compressors, hoses, and gauges at them and I have had good luck at Shell and Chevron finding those.

It's just a new detergent package.

C'mon guys, you know it works. "They" said so on the radio. Who needs more proof than that?

C'mon guys, you know it works. "They" said so on the radio. Who needs more proof than that?

Radio... Is that like an iPod?

C'mon guys, you know it works. "They" said so on the radio. Who needs more proof than that?

No no no. The scientist in the commercial (who also has AT&T home phone, Internet, TV, and cell phone service in another commercial) says so. Therefore, it must be true.

sounds like BS to me.....

My mother put that stuff in her 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan. She normally gets around 23 mpg, but when she put the shell gas in, she got 18 mpg.