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xcel
08-22-2006, 06:46 PM
Motorists woke up Monday morning to the cheapest gasoline in almost two months. (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060822/METRO05/608220338/1148/AUTO01)

Sofia Kosmetatos - The Detroit News - August 21, 2006

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$3.00 + per a gallon a thing of the past or just a reprieve?

The price of unleaded regular at Future Fuels in Dearborn Heights was among the lowest to be found in Metro Detroit on Monday. Gas prices are falling nationwide, and may continue to do so through Labor Day.

Enjoy cheaper gasoline while you can, Metro Detroiters, because no one can say for sure if it will stay that way for very long.

Motorists woke up Monday morning to the cheapest gasoline in almost two months, since summer officially began in June. The average for regular gasoline stood at $2.86 a gallon, but stations throughout Metro Detroit were charging less, at least one as low as $2.69. Numerous others were asking $2.72.

"It makes a difference," said Irene Cowley of Novi as she filled up at a station on Michigan Avenue in Dearborn, where a gallon of unleaded was $2.72.

But, the Ford Motor Co. engineer added, "I don't see it going anywhere but up."

While some analysts agree, saying this price dip is only temporary, others predict it will hang around awhile.

But no one can say for sure where gas prices will head, given there are so many factors that drive the price of oil:
The Labor Day holiday could cause a slight bump up, as drivers take to the road for their last summer hurrah. But the end of summer driving season could bring it right back down.
If demand for gasoline stays high, so will the prices, but if a slowing worldwide economy shaves that demand, then prices could retreat even further.
The longer the hurricane season is hurricane-free, the better chance for lower gas prices. But a big storm that disrupts the gulf's oil supply, or even the threat of a severe hurricane, could send them higher.
If the truce holds between Israel and Lebanon, that would be good news for motorists. But if violence erupts again, that would affect prices.
"The single biggest driver in the price of gasoline at the pump is crude oil," said Sara Banaszak, senior economist with the American Petroleum Institute.

World events already were pushing oil prices up again Monday. Unrest over the Iranian nuclear weapons situation sent prices to $72.45 a barrel, up from a close of $71.14 on Friday.

Threats didn't appear

Threats that never appeared are what sent oil and gas prices down in the past week, AAA Michigan spokesman Jim Rink said.

"What we've been witnessing is prices kept getting higher and higher in response to a number of possible threats … things that never materialized," Rink said. Once the threats went away, prices reacted to market fundamentals, declining amid a healthy supply, he said.

Those threats included the continued fighting between Israel and Lebanon and the pipeline erosion in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, that could have shut down the field and reduced domestic oil output by 7.5 percent.

But last week, Israel and Lebanon came to a truce, albeit fragile, and BP PLC said it would have to completely shut down Prudhoe Bay.

Oil prices hit a record high of $78.40 per barrel on July 14, two days after fighting began in Lebanon. Fears that the conflict would spread to other parts of the Middle East and restrict oil supplies had some analysts fearing the price per barrel would keep rising to above $80, and in turn keep driving up the cost of gasoline.

Are lower prices on the way?

But $80 a barrel never happened.

And some analysts now are forecasting even lower prices through Labor Day, barring unforeseen natural disasters or Middle East conflicts that affect supply.

One optimist is Michael Burdette, an oil market analyst for the Energy Information Administration.

"Looking at gasoline prices at the refinery level, we've seen them go down almost 40 cents in the month of August, which implies that gasoline prices in the next few weeks are going to head down significantly further," Burdette said.

In the next two weeks, drivers could see another 9-cent drop in prices at the pump, he said, even through the Labor Day holiday.

That would suit Al and Nancy Bentre of South Lyon just fine. They're tired of spending more than $50 to gas up their white Ford Explorer.

Like many Metro Detroiters, the couple changed their driving habits to conserve their gasoline use as prices rose. "We were trying to do things all at one time," instead of making multiple trips to the store, Al Bentre said.

With their granddaughters in tow and a couple of day trips planned this week, a price of $2.72 was a welcome sight.

Ditto for Dionne Brantley, a Detroit schoolteacher whose husband drives to Flint for work in a gas-guzzling Tahoe.

"We have noticed a difference in the price," she said, as she prepared to fill up her Cadillac CTS, which, thankfully, gets better mileage than the Tahoe. But even at $2.72, gas still costs more than in previous years, she said.

"Prices are just high, period," she said. "Regardless of what car you have, it really doesn't matter."

lars-ss
08-23-2006, 11:33 AM
USA Average for regular unleaded still sits at $2.91 as of 8-23-2006.

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

Anyone getting it for $2.59 is just getting a break. Fillup while you can !!! :D

Let's hope they go BACK UP. Higher prices are good for lowering demand, increasing conservation, and forcing people to look at other alternatives than the 15 MPG SUV. Low gas prices are BAD for America.

tarabell
08-23-2006, 12:09 PM
I make rather abstract connections, but this reminds me of my 80+ year old Dad who lived in a 2nd floor walkup till he died. He just refused to move to a more accomodating place, even though he just couldn't handle stairs anymore and sometimes had to drag himself up using the stair-rail. Sure he would have a spell of "good" days, but he just would not admit that entropy was his enemy and had him in its sights. So his number of "good" days was just going to get fewer...and fewer.

He had, as I used to tell him, one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. All it would take is one tiny thing -- one fall, missing one meal, not getting enough rest one night, taking his meds late one time--and then how was he ever going to make it upstairs? And when that day happens, hth is he supposed to go find and move himself to another place THEN?

I know all about denial but when you not only know the disaster waiting ahead, and even had a tiny taste of it, how can you let those few good days keep you from thinking proactively?

xcel
08-23-2006, 04:17 PM
Hi Tarabell:

___That was not only a very personal analogy (I hope you father passed away peacefully instead of fighting those stairs to the last), it fit what we as a nation are hard headed enough to continue on doing without changing a thing because we just don’t think of the consequences 6 months, 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, or even 50 years out …

___I pass on this kind of news to show what the general public might get caught up in but for us, think of it as a slight reprieve to experience less then $3.00 gas again if not for just a little while. Sure $7.00 - $10.00/gallon will really make people sit up, take notice, and truly change forever but if that happens in too short a time frame, you can write off Ford, GM, and DCX who actually do employ millions in this country vs. the foreign makes who put on a good show with a few hundred thousand plus the periphery suppliers but in reality, they make sure the native country’s of origin is where the big employment lyes …

___The above was a bit OT of course but I do not think the general public will be heading back to their local dealerships to purchase $50,000 Chevrolet Suburban’s and Toyota Sequoia’s in quantities anywhere near the numbers they were flying off the lots 4 + years ago just because we now see $2.80/gallon vs. $3.10 + as it has been most of the summer. We as a nation/world are still in very deep trouble but it does give everyone the opportunity to take a quick breath and consider our next move such and Tim (for himself) and I (for the wife) considering hybrid purchases in the very near future vs. the alternatives of just sitting there and waiting for the next $3.00, $3.50, $4.00 and so on and so on price increases year after year … Even a hybrid driver at 55 mpg is paying as much to get to work as the Ford F150 driver did 4 years ago so it is not like hybrid drivers are really saving anything in their own right, we are just keeping our heads above water vs. the 2002 F-150 driver who has already for all intents and purposes, already drowned … Drown being a relative “non-morbid” term in that he/she has had to sacrifice income to fuel that F-150 to get back and forth to work that may have otherwise gone to personal entertainment, home improvement, a child’s happiness for a birthday, or heaven forbid, sustenance.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Hot Georgia
08-23-2006, 05:03 PM
How long will lower gas prices last?
Typically prices take two or three steps forward (Sometimes more) over a couple of weeks, level off then take one or two steps back.
Personally I don't think the lower prices will last. Although in the end more people will look to more efficient vehicles, high fuel prices are running many families broke. :sad:
In the end it's how we plan ahead (or not) and the choices we all make.
Guess that's why sometimes I (we) get active posting around the net about FE for anyone who'll listen.

-Steve

Chuck
08-23-2006, 05:14 PM
I hope Detroit does not act as if this means it's OK to ramp up the promotion of their sub 20mpg vehicles, but history says they will do just that. Case in point - Ford. :(

brick
08-23-2006, 05:44 PM
I'm still waiting to see a price below $3.00 where I am. It will happen, but for how long is a good question. Personally I expect things to level off within 10 or 20 cents of the current price and stay there until something dramatic happens. We might see a bit of an increase as refineries start to ramp up to produce the winter's heating oil, which I believe we felt in the Thanksgiving time frame last year. There's also a chance that we could still see some hurricane activcity, but the odds are in favor of an Atlantic hit vs. a Gulf hit, and any resulting hikes ought to be localized. Looking out toward the spring, we won't have the same issue with MTBE transitioning that we did last year. We ought to be pretty well on board with Ethanol, so it would take some crazy hit to the corn supply to get that back up again.

The middle east is the wild card, and demand is guaranteed to keep on increasing vs. the prior year as people see the lower prices and start to loosen up a little. So I'm thinking something in the mid-high 2's through the fall, maybe upper 2's as we enter the winter, and then another round of gradual increases in the spring with a summer high that will be noticeably higher than this year's. Rinse and repeat until we go into Iran or Iran goes into Israel or something else stupid happens.

Just for kicks, go to gasbuddy.com or barchart.com and plot the price of gasoline (either market of retail depending on what chart you are looking at) and look at the relatively clean line you see on a long enough time scale. That increase is a slow moving freight train without brakes. Think it's going to stop without something equally huge put in its path?

philmcneal
08-24-2006, 05:27 AM
i'm paying to the equilvilant of 3.80 gallon US over here in canada. But a day's of work doesn't take much out of the gas bill unfortnately still, even I working almost minimum wage conditions gas only covers less than 5% of my paycheque.

There needs to be another serious spike for people around where I live to take notice, until then big trucks, nice rims and fast rides are the hot things on the streets. Lowered SUV and trucks are becoming popular too? Hm the fads in things

So for us prices has been stale for quite some time. For almost a month now. At least the over a dollar liter has been accepted by everyone and now driving is a pleasure for only further for those who can afford it.

brick
08-24-2006, 05:22 PM
Hey! What was I saying?

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/tropical/?from=wxcenter_news

lars-ss
08-24-2006, 05:52 PM
World events, oil prices, and Hurricanes Katrina and Rita have mostly driven prices up. The higher the better, as my previous post would indicate. Drives more people to conserve and modify their polluting habits.

PS. USA Average was $1.44 in December 2003. :)

lars-ss
08-24-2006, 06:10 PM
Check this out from cnn money:

http://money.cnn.com/2001/05/09/economy/v_gas_prices/index.htm

Enduring high gas prices
May 9, 2001: 3:16 p.m. ET

The average retail price over the past two weeks jumped to an all-time high

NEW YORK (CNNfn) - A gallon of gas has never cost this much. The average retail price over the past two weeks spiked more than eight cents to $1.76 a gallon, an all-time high not adjusted for inflation.

In Chicago, a gallon of regular gas is well above the national average, costing more than $2. Prices are so high because it costs more to produce the cleaner-burning grades of gas required in the summer months. Refineries are also having trouble catching up with demand.

Mike Dabrowski 2000
09-15-2006, 09:09 AM
I would like to throw my 2Cents into this discussion.
There is no argument that we are either in the beginning of the peak oil period or will soon be.
China and India are both putting a lot of cars on the road, as are many of the third world countries. Demand will continue to increase, and supply will continue to decrease.
We have a tendency to think in the short term, rather in the long term.
In the long term, prices will go up and up, and the only solution is for each of us to decrease our dependence on this non renewable resource.
On the other hand this may be a good time to invest in a big 500 gal gas tank for your back yard, so you can take advantage of the dips when they happen.;)

Chuck
09-15-2006, 09:31 AM
I just came across an MSNBC article that a Saudi estimates only 18% of the world's oil supply has been consumed. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt - land is 30% of the earth's surface, and we are starting to drill deeper. Article adds that world consumption will go up 50% (as Mike notes, China, India are getting cars...) Oil will last 70 to 140 years. Bottom line: we will find more oil as the price increases, but we still run out by the 22nd century.

TonyPSchaefer
09-15-2006, 11:59 AM
Oil will last 70 to 140 years.

(addressed at fact, not at person)
BUT WHEN WE EXCEED THE POINT OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BEYOND REPAIR CAUSED BY INCREASED CARBON-BASED CONSUMPTION, NO ONE WILL CARE HOW MUCH MORE OIL IS IN THE FREAKING GROUND!!

Ok. I'm better now.
Sorry.

Chuck
09-15-2006, 12:14 PM
....of course, we will just crank our air conditioners up more as Global Warming accelerates. :p :eek:

The article is highly speculative.

Before 2070, Zefram Cochrane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zefram_Cochrane) is supposed to come up with the ultimate solution with the warp drive. :D

skywagon
09-15-2006, 02:54 PM
2.16 here inn Mpls today

Chuck
09-15-2006, 03:15 PM
That beats 2.30 in Lewisville, Texas.



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