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xcel
08-20-2006, 04:34 AM
Factor in fuel and insurance bills. (http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/business/15249769.htm?source=rss&channel=belleville_business)

Pameal Yip - Dallas Morning News - August 20, 2006

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2003 Toyota Echo is a good used car value but would you own it vs. anything else?

DALLAS - These days, buying a vehicle has a lot more to it than just the monthly payment. Because of higher insurance, fuel and repair costs, buyers should take a holistic approach to purchasing an automobile.

The good news is, with so many information sources available, it's easier than it has ever been for buyers.

Online tools also can help you determine the total cost of owning and operating a vehicle.

Edmunds.com and Kelley Blue Book, two independent auto information providers, offer total-cost-of-ownership calculators on their Web sites.

"A lot of people are very good at ignoring this kind of thing because it's an emotional purchase. So very often they're in the position of wanting to justify something that really is not within their means," said Philip Reed, consumer advice editor at Edmunds.com. "If they know this kind of thing, they can avert a bad financial decision."

Depreciation is the biggest single factor in ownership costs, Reed said.

You may find that when comparing two vehicles, the one with the lower purchase price ends up costing you much more in the long run.

So let's consider some of the choices car buyers have to make that affect the total cost of ownership.

The most basic question is whether to buy new or used.

For some people, it's a purely practical, financial decision. For others, it's personal and emotional.

"A lot of people don't want to buy a used car almost for ego reasons more than anything else," said Jack Nerad, executive editorial director and market analyst at Kelley Blue Book.

That's one reason new cars lose value so much in their first year - in some cases, 30 percent of their original price. New cars also depreciate because the transaction changes from a dealer-to-consumer sale, which includes things like license, registration and destination charges that aren't part of a trade-in or private-party sale price.

"If you're trying to maximize your money, the used car is definitely the way to go," Reed said.

The downside of buying used is that there are more unknowns. "A new car is based on known factors like condition level, the sticker price," Reed said. "With a used car, the condition is never really fully known."

One question many car buyers are asking is whether now's the time to buy a hybrid.

Soaring gas prices and tax breaks have helped make hybrid vehicles popular. A hybrid vehicle operates with a gasoline engine augmented by an electric motor that charges itself when the driver slows down or brakes.

"A hybrid would be perfect for somebody who stops and starts a lot," Reed said.

But it still may not make perfect financial sense.

"You'll pay a premium for the technology," Reed said. "You're buying about a 20 percent premium over a gasoline-priced engine."

Better gas mileage and tax incentives make up some of that premium. But the online calculators show that hybrids still wind up costing consumers more over the long run.

Tochatihu
08-21-2006, 12:12 PM
You also posted the other recent article that advised using Edmunds total cost of ownership (TCO) data. I went to the trouble of comparing 06 Corolla, Prius and Camry. Edmunds' TCO 44, 52, and 53 cents per mile respectively. My biggest concern is in their depreciation math. It is wildly inconsistent with the 'true market value' for 1 and 2 year old prius reported elsewhere on their site.

No doubt harder to analyze the entire 5 year stretch, but one can get a hint from how the 2001 Prius has done over 5 years. Edmunds' data has it depreciating a total of $9 k, whereas their TCO chart for the 06 Prius sums to $14.7 k over 5 years.

I assert that their cost is over by $5 to 8 k in this category, and were that corrected it would end up being 40 to 44 cents per mile (still using all their other numbers). In the universe of Edmunds' TCOs for vehicles purchased new, these are good numbers.

Consumer Reports did the same thing of course in April. They made no useful reply to my email pointing out that their Prius depreciation projection implicitly contradicted their valuation of the earlier model Prius as a used car.

So the numbers just get emplaced in the media, and perhaps people believe them. I dunno. Repeating the last line of the article here "But the online calculators show that hybrids still wind up costing consumers more over the long run."

Friends and neighbors, bad data is of little assistance in reaching accurate conclusions.

By the way, Tochatihu is 5 years old today! Somewhere in the low 20's cents per mile, the way I figure it.

DAS

philmcneal
08-21-2006, 12:38 PM
yeah at this rate convincing people to buy an echo than a used prius sounds like the more logical choice, i mean if hypermiled properly I'm sure the echo will show us convincing results... even I considered one over the yaris due to its lower curb weight (around 2090 lbs i believe) and its low mileage + low cost vs a used prius with a high cost + high mileage.... if you ask me... used prius holds their value very well.... at least in Canada ;)

anyone knows the areodynamic drag for the echo?



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