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xcel
11-01-2008, 07:22 PM
A longtime GM customer says Washington needs to attach some strings to any financing help for a GM-Chrysler merger. (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct2008/db20081028_593234.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_dialogue+with+readers)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2007_Cadillac_Escalade.jpgDan Beucke - Business Week - Oct. 29, 2008

No more ads from Cadillac about does your FSP turn you on.

If you read anything here or linked from here today, read this. And do not forget Page #2 as it’s a doozy! -- Ed.

Taxpayers are mad as hell about the looming bailout of General Motors and Chrysler. They just don't know it yet. That's because the fix isn't quite in. Auto executives and federal officials still have to figure out whether they'll pull this off by redefining GM as a bank and grandfathering it into the Treasury Dept.'s $700 billion financial industry rescue, or by carving off some of the $25 billion of federal loans that were supposed to encourage development of alternative-fuel vehicles.

Details, details. What's important is that once it dawns on people that they're about to become major investors in the long-failing enterprise known as the U.S. car industry, they'll hit the roof. And I don't mean a ragtop convertible roof.

This is an even more outrageous public expenditure than the Wall Street bailout. In that case, the public was incensed that rich bankers who had stuffed their pockets with billions during the good times were having their fannies saved by regular folks—with the strong likelihood that once things stabilized, they would get even richer. The Detroit bailout raises a more depressing scenario: There's no reason to believe anyone is going to get rich after this money goes down the rat hole. Or that the situation is going to stabilize. Good luck selling this to John Q. Public, who's been running away from GM's cars for the past two decades… http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct2008/db20081028_593234.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_dialogue+with+readers

98CRV
11-01-2008, 09:03 PM
No bail-out. They had enough time to give the people what they need and want.

CaliberMan71
11-01-2008, 10:43 PM
Loans, atleast in my understanding are not a bailout. Where will you have the near 5 million people work 98CRV? Cause without the LOANS that is the est. of out of work people. It is the GM,Chrysler workers and their suppliers,who all so suppplly the Toys you guys love on here. If 40MPG is mandated it will hurt all auto makers and that is good.

98CRV
11-02-2008, 05:33 AM
Loans, atleast in my understanding are not a bailout. Where will you have the near 5 million people work 98CRV? Cause without the LOANS that is the est. of out of work people. It is the GM,Chrysler workers and their suppliers,who all so suppplly the Toys you guys love on here. If 40MPG is mandated it will hurt all auto makers and that is good.


There is no guarantee that they will pay back the loans. Then the 5 million will be out of a job and there will be more debt for the rest of us to pay back. Hurting all automakers is not good. Letting the market punish those that don't supply what we demand is good. The car makers that survive will give us what we need. They will also absorb some of the employees and use some of the suppliers that die when the big three go away. Subsidizing a bad product is sending good money after bad. No more wine for the alcoholics.

donee
11-02-2008, 07:16 AM
Hi All,

What seems to be forgotten in all this, is that Clinton/Gore had it right, and the PNGV was the best bet at saving the US Automotive manufacturing buisnesses. What is bizarre is that the leadership at GM that treated this program in such a shoddy manner is still there. I think any bailout has to include the demotion of Wagoner, and identified cronies to second tier financial managment within GM. These guys have proved they do not have the strategic thinking to have a good chance at getting payback on the loans.

xmr
11-02-2008, 10:46 AM
I read in consumer reports that Ford's quality had increased to the point that it was on par with Toyota and Honda while for most GM models it had decreased. I just can't conceive what merging with GM would do for Chrysler. Putting two sick puppies togeather just gives you more sick puppies not one healthy one. the US is in sad pickle.

Indigo
11-02-2008, 02:34 PM
I liked the idea of suspending ads for bloated ultra-trucks. And the ads where they compare driving a Hummer to being a "real man" just make me sick. Real men are so confident in their capabilities that they feel confortable driving whatever vehicle meets their transportation needs.



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